My Thoughts on Shri Harsha's thoughts

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Pranaams to Devotees of Mathaji.

 

Shree Harshaji's thoughts to Shree Atreya makes an interesting reading and

appears to be idealistic though I would tend to think like the author on my

first thought but tend to differ from it on analysis.

 

Why I think the observation is idealistic.

 

My koti namaskarams to a very few minority of Brahmins who live as per our Vedic

Dharma Sashtras and i happen to meet one in Sri Mutt Kaanchi -- a very highly

read poor brahmin who doesn't even charge for his Vaidic services but accepts

whatever is given , in this ever competitive world where one is chasing

materialistic gains from dawn till dusk and he seem to be very contented the way

he was. ( A true brahmin doesn't keep anything for tomorrow )

 

Such examples are an exception than a rule. While I am for " A True Varnashrama

Dharma " , what is the scenario to-day -- Does True Varnashrama Exists . Fearing

Chill penury a majority of Brahmins are averse to make their sons mere vaidikas

as they are too anxious to lead them to a comfortable life and give them the

western education that would prepare them for an office or a factory job.

 

Maha Swamy of Kaanchi out of His Mercy to the Brahmins while accepting the bleak

situation which exists atleasts asks in the least to every Brahmin to perform

upanayana for their son at the age of eight and after that the children be

given training atleast for one hour daily in a Veda class after school hours

which should go like this for ten years. He says that, this is the least that

Brahmins should do to preserve the Vedic tradition . But what is happening is

every body's guess -- even Nithya / Nymithya karmas have become empty rituals

done without any value or done as per the individual interpretations or

convenience , Gayathri Mantra is not a Value to many and some may even take

pride in not doing or commenting on it as absurd. The sad reflection of this

Vedic Dharma is even if, few wants to take up to learning of vedas on part tome

, not enough teachers are available .

 

Maha Swamy says that in his decided opinion that the brahmin is responsible for

the ruin of Hindu Society as he has ignored his mission to spend all his time in

learning and chanting the vedas, in performing the sacrifices, in preserving the

sastras etc. A brahmin alone is allowed by sastras even to " BEG " for his

living in case he is not able to meet both the ends after learning the

scriptures. ( Please Read Deivathin Kural Part one and two for Mahaswamy's

commentry on " Who is responsible for the decay of Vedic Dharma )

 

While I am not Pro or Anti Brahmin , the point I would like to make on Shree

Harsha's observation is " Whether the Brahmins who have taken to Vaamachara or

Kaulachara were True Brahmins in the first place performing the Vedokta Karmas."

If yes i agree with his views but sadly such Brahmin Sadhaks whom I have met so

far have not met these criteria and for some of them the miseries have came out

of ABUSE of

" Pancha Makaaraas" and not because they had followed the Kaula or Vaamachra

system of Devi Upaasana.

 

There is a general tendency in South India to Blindly discourage and discredit

the Kaula and Vaamachara practices without going into the Validity of its

practices and philosophies.

 

I would like to remind the devotees of Ma that Ramakrishna Paramahmsa , a

Bengali Brahmin was initiated to Vaamachara by His Guru " Bhairavi Brahmi " on

direct instructions from the Parashakthi Devi Herself and that this single

instance is enough to bring glory to Vaamacara. Taking the clue from this, how

one could blindly conclude that these systems of worship are Avaidic and is not

suitable to a Brahmin.

 

Devi is " Aabrahma Keeda Janani " meaning that As a Mother to the least evolved

creature like a worm as well to the greatest Creator Brahma -- Her love is Same

-- not greater to one than the other.

 

Attention is also invited to the meaning of verse 912 0f LS -- Savyapasavya

Margastha -- She who is contemplted through Vedic ways and also Apasavyam --

Tantric Ways like the Vaamachara as in Kaalika puranas - also refer to meaning

of kowla margatatparasevitha.

 

Regards

 

Jai Maa who is " Savyapasavya Margastha"

 

ganapathy

 

 

Satish Arigela <satisharigela wrote:

shrIH

I received the following from Shri Harsha ji and

thought of sharing with the group.

Rgds

--- Harsha Ramamurthy

<harsha_ramamurthy wrote:

> "Harsha Ramamurthy"

> <harsha_ramamurthy

> <srinath_atreya,

> <satisharigela

> A few thoughts to share

> Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:06:32 +0530

>

> Sri Gurubhyo namaH.

> The name 'varNAshramavidhAyinI' of Nama Sahasri

> clearly illustrates the relevance and even

> importance of Varna and Ashramas even in a path like

> Srividya. People who have had no Vedadhikara have

> pumped in ideas like Varnashrama Rahitya into

> Tantric thought. The above name in LS clearly

> refutes their claims. It is the Sruti that is always

> considered the highest pramAna for all methaphysical

> matters, be it with regard to Srividya or not. In

> Samaya and Dakshina paths, there are sixteen

> important Dikshas starting from Shuddha Vidya to

> Maha Paduka. In Kaula, the Diksha list mentions 32

> Dikshas, ending with Anuttara. As Sri Jnanandanatha

> clearly points in his LS book, some Brahmanas from

> the southern regions of Kerala and Tamil Nadu came

> in contact with Upasakas from Bengal and Central

> India who were followers of Vamachara and began to

> follow the same, assuming it is the right Vedic

> path. It is a very sorry thing to note that even

> today there are a vast number of Brahmanas in south

> who continue to follow Vama and Kaula practices

> without even being aware of it. They even go to the

> level of claiming their practices as being taught

> originally by Adi shankara. The guidelines by the

> two Shankara Mutts are not being followed properly.

> A Brahmana, who gives up Vedokta Karmas and takes to

> Kaula faces Daridrya and Vamsha Nasha. There have

> been ample examples of people, some regarded even as

> incarnations, who have suffered miserably in life

> and have lost sons at a young age. Though Maha

> Paduka etc. are not a part of Kaula system, people

> have adopted the Mahapaduka and some other mantras

> and have created a sort of Mishrachara cult. The

> practices of Vama and Kaula modes are essentially

> for the Chaturtha varna and those without

> Vedadhikara.

>

>

>

> Further continuing from the previous post, practices

> like offering tarpana with the left hand to the

> deity's left hand, Makara use etc. are banned by the

> Shubagama Panchakas as fit only for pashus. It is

> high time to stop glamorizing Vamachara with

> statements such as: it is fit for elevated Sadhakas

> - Why does an elevated Sadhaka need any Sadhana?, It

> is a difficult path not fit for all - Why discuss a

> path which is so narrow in approach?

>

> The main problem with Srividya as related to Kaula

> comes into being becuase most follow Saubhagya

> Bhaskara commentary of Bhaskararaya who gives Kaula

> para interpretations to many names. Some of his

> interpretations are far from truth. There are lots

> of flaws in his Bhashya. He says, Devi has sthula,

> sukshma and para forms. What he fails to mention is

> that the Brahman which is Nishkala is Devi and hence

> there is no Yatharthya in these Bhedas. Like the

> colours and objects appearing in a clear mirror,

> these are also untrue. It would thus be necessary to

> educate people about other Bhashyas on LS like

> Swapnabodhini, Vaidyanathiya, Srikala,

> Jnanandanatha's Bhashya etc.

>

> sridevyai namaH.

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

> Harsha Ramamurthy.

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