Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Pranams, Yes It is correct but in the eastern part of india there is a tendency to pronounce the Kleem as kleeng, Hrim as Hring. Even while chanting vedic mantras especially in the shukla veda in the north the word purusha is pronounced prukha and Yat as jat etc., I think even Panini has mentioned about the pronounciation aspect of people in different part of the country. I think learned scholars in the group such as Prof. Krishnamoorthy can give better reasoning for such difference in the pronounciation. ramakrishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 , "ramki61" <ramki61> wrote: > Pranams, > Yes It is correct but in the eastern part of india there is a > tendency to pronounce the Kleem as kleeng, Hrim as Hring. Even while > chanting vedic mantras especially in the shukla veda in the north the > word purusha is pronounced prukha and Yat as jat etc., I think even > Panini has mentioned about the pronounciation aspect of people in > different part of the country. I think learned scholars in the group > such as Prof. Krishnamoorthy can give better reasoning for such > difference in the pronounciation. > ramakrishnan Namaste Ramakrishnan -ji Sorry. I do not know anything about the origins of the difference in pronunciation of these bija-mantras. But I would like to know, certainly. PraNAms to all devotees of Mother Goddess. profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Namaste I was recently in Puri and had the opportunity to interact with some learned scholars regarding some mantras. True. They chant AIM as AING, HREEM as HREENG, KLEEM as KLEENG..etc. Infact, a senior priest who accompanied me to Sri Jagannatha temple chanted "OM NAMO BHAGAWATHE BASUDEVAAYO". For a moment, I stood shocked and almost forgot the correct version. :-) When I chanted "Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaaya", as how I have been taught in our South Indian style, he objected to it and said it is the other way around, though I could not chant in his style. As long as one gets to be initiated or taught the mantra, we need to apply the correct pronounciation, WITH the guidance of a Guru. Any alterations or wrong prounciation of any mantra especially bija mantras can bring disaster. Sincerely R. Kasthuri Rangan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 , "rkrangan" <rkrangan> wrote: > Namaste > > I was recently in Puri and had the opportunity to interact with some > learned scholars regarding some mantras. > > True. They chant AIM as AING, HREEM as HREENG, KLEEM as KLEENG..etc. > Infact, a senior priest who accompanied me to Sri Jagannatha temple > chanted "OM NAMO BHAGAWATHE BASUDEVAAYO". For a moment, I stood > shocked and almost forgot the correct version. :-) When I chanted "Om > Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaaya", as how I have been taught in our South > Indian style, he objected to it and said it is the other way around, > though I could not chant in his style. Namaste "OM NAMO BHAGAWATHE BASUDEVAAYO". and "Om namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya" are both the same except for the well-known difference in the way they pronounce the vowel 'a' (the first letter of the Sanskrit alphabet) in the Eastern parts of India, like Orissa, Bengal and Assam. The 'a' is pronounced and heard as an 'o' by the people from other parts of India. That is why Ravinder becomes Robinder and Ramaa (=Lakshmi) becomes Romaa. Hence the last 'a' in Vaasudevaaya becomes 'O'. Also even in Sanskrit there is a rule 'va-ba-yorebhedaH'. This privilege of interchanging 'va' and 'ba' is used heavily by the Eastern part of India and that is why Vasudeva becomes Basudeva. If I may be pardoned for a joke on myself which taught me this 'vabayor-abedaH' in a dramatically funny way, let me tell you the incident in 1953 which taught me this in Howrah Railway Station. I had gone to make Railway reservation back to Madras from Calcutta, (In those days Chennai was Madras and Kolkatta was Calcutta). At the reservation counter I had to give information about my name, and so I had to spell out verbally my name "V. Krishnamurthy", letter by letter. The very first letter caused a problem. I kept on saying "V" and the clerk on the other side of the counter kept on saying "B" and asking me for approval. I repeated "V" several times but every time the response came only as 'B". I was almost frustrated and so I started spelling out the English alphabet: "A, B, C, D, E, F, ........, S, T, U, V" and I stopped at " V" and repeated it to emphasize it. Now he understood it with a great nod and said "Oh, it is that 'B'! and wrote "V" on the form. I heaved a sigh of relief. "Va-bayor-abedaH" ! PraNAms to all devotees of Mother Goddess profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Dear Profvk: This reminds me of a famous quotation - In Bengal sa, sha, and Sha are all pronounced as sha. In Assam all the above forms of sha, Sha, and sa is take-up by "ha". Therefore one should never take blessing from folks residing from East, because although the person may be saying a genuine blessing as "shatayaH" but "will "sound and manifest as "hattayaH". The related compete shloka is as follows: aashiirvaada.m na gR^ih{}vayaat puurvadeshanivaasinaH . shataayuriti vaktavye hataayuritivaadinaam .. Regards, Dr. Yadu , "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk> wrote: > , "rkrangan" <rkrangan> wrote: > > Namaste > > > > I was recently in Puri and had the opportunity to interact with > some > > learned scholars regarding some mantras. > > > > True. They chant AIM as AING, HREEM as HREENG, KLEEM as > KLEENG..etc. > > Infact, a senior priest who accompanied me to Sri Jagannatha > temple > > chanted "OM NAMO BHAGAWATHE BASUDEVAAYO". For a moment, I stood > > shocked and almost forgot the correct version. :-) When I > chanted "Om > > Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaaya", as how I have been taught in our > South > > Indian style, he objected to it and said it is the other way > around, > > though I could not chant in his style. > > Namaste > > "OM NAMO BHAGAWATHE BASUDEVAAYO". > and > "Om namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya" > > are both the same except for the well-known difference in the way > they pronounce the vowel 'a' (the first letter of the Sanskrit > alphabet) in the Eastern parts of India, like Orissa, Bengal and > Assam. The 'a' is pronounced and heard as an 'o' by the people from > other parts of India. That is why Ravinder becomes Robinder and > Ramaa (=Lakshmi) becomes Romaa. Hence the last 'a' in Vaasudevaaya > becomes 'O'. > Also even in Sanskrit there is a rule 'va-ba-yorebhedaH'. This > privilege of interchanging 'va' and 'ba' is used heavily by the > Eastern part of India and that is why Vasudeva becomes Basudeva. > > If I may be pardoned for a joke on myself which taught me > this 'vabayor-abedaH' in a dramatically funny way, let me tell you > the incident in 1953 which taught me this in Howrah Railway Station. > I had gone to make Railway reservation back to Madras from Calcutta, > (In those days Chennai was Madras and Kolkatta was Calcutta). At the > reservation counter I had to give information about my name, and so > I had to spell out verbally my name "V. Krishnamurthy", letter by > letter. The very first letter caused a problem. I kept on saying "V" > and the clerk on the other side of the counter kept on saying "B" > and asking me for approval. I repeated "V" several times but every > time the response came only as 'B". I was almost frustrated and so I > started spelling out the English alphabet: "A, B, C, D, E, > F, ........, S, T, U, V" and I stopped at " V" and repeated it to > emphasize it. Now he understood it with a great nod and said "Oh, it > is that 'B'! and wrote "V" on the form. I heaved a sigh of > relief. "Va-bayor-abedaH" ! > > PraNAms to all devotees of Mother Goddess > profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 mantra_tantra, "kriyamaster" <sunnyan@n...> wrote: That was excellent.My views are ath both shreem & shreeng have different vibratory effect on the chakras & the gods & goddess at differnt level.Suppose one recites shreem, it will affect the ajna chakra,swadhistan chakra & the mooladhara chakras & their recpective elements & gods & goddesses & similar is the case with shreeng. Just see the akshra represented by these chakras & their petals or astral nadis connected with it. Rohit. mantra_tantra, "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > The upper and lower lips are considered as representions of Shiva > and Shakti. Hence the coming together of lips is considered > representing Shiva-Shakti union and considered auspicous and said to > confer great benefit on the sadhaka. > > It can be observed that the lips touch each other > when we say shriiM and not when we say shriing. > > That the lips represent Shiva and Shakti is mentioned in Principles > of Tantra by Arthur Avalon. > > Regards > Satish. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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