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Respected learned members,

i am not sure whether the question following falls within the scope of subject

discussed by this group.

In these modern days where even most essential acharam to be followed is being

looked upon as something unnecessary/superstious by most people, can any learned

member clarify how far is following acharam imp and is it correct to modify the

same according to our convenience as we do mostly these days.

I have heard people saying it is enough bakti is in the mind. these achara etc

are external things not so imp.

hence the question always dwells in my mind.

Is acharam more imp than the main agenda ie puja/prayer? this question arises

many a times specially with those residing in conjusted cities where people find

it convenient to modify rules to convenience.does puja done without proper

acharam fail to render the specified phalan?

thnaks.

rajee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Your e-mail touches upon few issues. I will throw in my 2c.

 

1) AchAram

 

"sarvAgamanAm aachaaram prathamam parikalpyate

Achara prabhavo dharmaH dharmasya prabhuH achyutaH"

(vishhNu sahasranAma, phala shruti)

 

In all aagama-s Achara is mentioned as foremost and from Achara comes

the ability to adhere to dharma.

 

a) Hence, Acharam is very important.

 

b) Our inability to follow it, should not make us look down upon it.

Instead it should give us the humility that we are so utterly unfit

and sharaNagati is our only hope.

 

2) About taking up a pUjA

 

If you have a choice, do not take up any formal upAsana. It will be

an obligatory karma to do and maintain. Instead you can focus on

devotional works and mAnasa pUja. Also consult the elders you know.

 

3) karma phala

 

a) It is best to do a phala tyAga and offer it back to God. That way

you will not have to worry about it.

 

b) While commenting on the names such as, karma phala pradA,

iipsitArthapradAyinI, Sankara talks about puurva miimaska view on

karma phala and refutes it. It is critical to understand that karma

phala is not given by a jaDa, automatic mechanism. But it is done by

iishvara. Hence, how karma phala is given is something depends only

on iishavara. shaastra-s gives some guidelines. But it is very

context sensitive. (see c)

 

c) Refer to the verse mArgavartita verse in shivAnandalahari, which

talks about kaNNapa nAyanar.

http://escribe.com/religion/advaita/m8819.html

 

There is verse which also talks about a nAyanmAr who worshipped Lord

by throwing stones at them. Hence, it is correct to say that God sees

the true intention and the heart. As another verse in

shivAnandalaharI mentions, God as indweller of all and sarvajna, we

need not even tell him anything. He knows even the most secretive

things and all.

 

 

4) Bending the rules

 

At each age, the conduct of many are influenced and based on the

great sages of that time. According to Apatstamba, only they can say

what is correct or wrong. Hence, any approximation that should be

based on that. Probably contacting Sringeri or Kanchi maTha may clear

things for you.

 

 

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Personally, If I have a choice I will not take anything formal. I

wish I had this knowledge in the past. Also, not always we have that

choice. Anything formal and obligatory, comes with a great

responsibility. And associated sins and lost peace of mind due to

errors and omissions.

 

My 2c.

 

Ravi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, rajeswari vishnu

<rajeswarivishnu> wrote:

> Respected learned members,

> i am not sure whether the question following falls within the scope

of subject discussed by this group.

> In these modern days where even most essential acharam to be

followed is being looked upon as something unnecessary/superstious by

most people, can any learned member clarify how far is following

acharam imp and is it correct to modify the same according to our

convenience as we do mostly these days.

> I have heard people saying it is enough bakti is in the mind. these

achara etc are external things not so imp.

> hence the question always dwells in my mind.

> Is acharam more imp than the main agenda ie puja/prayer? this

question arises many a times specially with those residing in

conjusted cities where people find it convenient to modify rules to

convenience.does puja done without proper acharam fail to render the

specified phalan?

> thnaks.

> rajee

>

>

>

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>

>

>

> Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢

>

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Sri Matre Namah. Sai Ram. I found the discussion very interesting.

Shri Ganesh Prasad has narrated a very interesting story about Late

Sri Vishweswariya. A similar story is told about late Sri Tanguturi

Prakasham Pantulu, the great freedom fighter and CM of the composite

Madras State. He too was banished or excommunicated because of

overseas travel. Shri Balagangadhara Tilak came all the way from

Mumbai/Pune to argue in his favor.

 

And it is interesting to note that a relative of Shri Vishweswariah

(like grandson) became the Peethathipathi of Hampi Virupaksha

Vidyaranya Peetham, Hampi. He attained Mahasamadhi in 2000. I had the

fortune of having His close association from 1998. Swamyji used to

advise us to follow Dharma as much as possible but surrender to God

beyond that. He too was a great Upasaka of Goddess Bhuvaneshwari.

 

"Achara prabhavo dharmaH dharmasya prabhuH achyutaH"

 

Does it translate as: "Achara is governed by Dharma and Dharma is

governed by Achyuta"? Achara probably means the path to be walked

upon. The path to the Truth. And Truth is Dharma. Dharma means right,

property, characteristic. Achyuta means Unfallen, undestroyed. The

Permanent, Eternal. The ParaBrahman.

 

So, if I understand correctly, Achara is the means to realise the

Truth, the Truth of Advaita, Abheda. the Oneness with the Absolute.

 

All social conducts etc., are relevant at the individual ego's level.

Each society has its own conduct rules. To the extent that one

follows, oen is accepted by the society and lives in relative peace.

 

The aim of all Pujas is to worship the Personal God/Goddess so that we

get their Divine qualities. It is like cleaning dirt with good water.

The water gets contaminated and is thrown out. But the water supply is

so large that we take it for granted. The impure water of course goes

out and gets purified by Sun and comes back as pure water. Sun is

therefore worshipped as direct God. Similarly Puja removes our

negativities. So bhakti is important. Egoism has no place in bhakti.

 

A poorly performed puja (in terms of achara) with great bhakti is

better than a well done puja without bhakti.

 

When in doubt take the advice of elders, learned priests and finally

subit to God.

 

I may be forgiven for the long post. And for retaining the previous

threads so that the memory is refreshed.

 

Swamy

 

, Ganesh Prasad <bjganeshprasad> wrote:

> Namaste,

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