Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Dear All, Namaste. Sri Devi Bhagavatam (Skanda 11, Adhyaya - Nityakarmanushtanakramam) suggests that, as part of Gayatri Japam, one must: 1. Recite Sadakshari Gayatri Mantra once - supposedly consisting Gayatri Mantra (24 Aksharas) followed by Jata Vedase (44 Aksharas) and then Tryambakam (32 aksharas). 2. Then the usual 24-akshara Gayatri should be chanted - sankhya as per Sankalpam 3. Lastly, the Turiya Pada (4th Pada) Gayatri must be chanted - at least 8 times while 108 or 28 sankhya will be better. May I request anyone who is aware of the above to clarify the following for the benefit of all? 1. Is Sadakshari same as Gayatri Mantra followed by first stanza of Durga Suktam and Mrutyunjaya Mantra or is it different? If anyone knows the correct format of sadAkshari Gayatri, please share the same. 2. I came across two different Gayatri Mantras from a different source - I am giving them below. : Poorna Gayatri --------------- OM bhUrbhuvassuvaH, OM kleem tat savitur vareNyam OM hreem bhargo devasya dhImahi OM shreem dhiyo yo naH pracodayAt OM pluum saum parorajase sAvadom OM aim ApaH jyotIrasaH aMRRitam brahma OM bhurbhuvassuvarom || (This is a composite Gayatri comprising of the bijaksharas of Kameshvari, Shakti, Lakshmi, Saravati, Bhuvaneshvari, etc.) SanjIvini vidya/Gayatri ----------------------- OM tryambakam yajAmahe OM bhUrbhuvassuvaH tat savitur vareNyam OM sugandhim puShTi vardhanam OM bhargo devasya dhImahi OM urvArUkamiva bandanAt OM dhiyo yo naH pracodayAt OM mrutyor mukshIya mAmRRitAt || (56 aksharas) I am not sure of the actual source of the above mantras. 2. Any prescribed procedure to chant the different Gayatri mantras - for different veda sakhas? Can they be recited without initiation? 3. Can Turiya Gayatri be chanted after Gayatri Japam by one and all? Or are there restrictions? Thanks a lot in advance, Murali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 || Jai Sadguru Dutta || || sadguroh paahi parama dhayaalO paahi || Shriimaan muralaji, First of all, the word "shadakshari" itself is confusing. W.r.t the context you have qouted, I think, you meant "shatha- akshari", the 100 lettered form of the Gaayathri maha manthra. 1. No one should attempt to practice any manthra (and its vidhana) without being initiated by a Guru who belongs to that particular sampradaaya. Here, sampradaaya doesn't mean "customs"; rather, it means "lineage". Violating this rule will destroy the individual. Sadly, I am witness to a few such incidents. 2. There may be millions of forms of the same manthra with different manthras as suffix and prefixes. A devout sadhak, should never bother about them at all. Running behind different manthras and books will make the aspirant a lunatic. Please recall what the Lord Mahadev Shiva Himself has told in the end, after creating all Tantras: "... saptha koti mahaa manthraaNaam chittha BhramaNa kaarakah...". 3. Nithya karma anushtaana should be only according to the sampradaaya dictated by the Shrngeri Shaaradaa piita in the southern part of Bhaaratha. Other regions of the country should follow their respective piita's dictates. The form of karma anushtaana as has been quoted from Shrii Shrii Devi Bhagavatham is entirely different. It should be embraced by the sadhak only when he is specially initiated/instructed into that. Adopting any manthra vidhana directly from books is certainly not good. Please note that such type of karma anushtana requires the sadhak to devout his whole life entirely to it. It doen't go well with the present day life-style. 4. ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS: MANTRAS ARE NOT TAKEN; THEY ARE GIVEN. 5. Before getting iniated into any manthra diksha, it is always good to do a purascharana of 10 lakh gayathri. An individual aspiring to elevate himself to higher realms of spirituality through the medium of mantra vidya should first surrender to Mother Gaayathri. She only can lead us to a sadguru. When we acquire the "yogyatha", all manthras, gurus and siddhas come to us automatically. This is the reason why only the Gaayathri maha manthra is taught during the "upanayana" ceremony. 6. Turiiya paada of Gaayathri should not be chanted by householders. It is only for the sanyasins. However, it is also given to some advanced sadhaks of Shriividya. 7. The "poorna gaayathri" and "sanjiivini vidya" (as has been quoted), requires that the sadhak has successfully completed atleat one full purascharana (24 lakhs) of the Gayathri (rules apply). 8. The sadhaka of such maha manthras should lead a highly austere life and strictly adhere to the customs prescribed by our scriptures. Trying out such great vidyas out of curiousity or for show-off will destroy him. 9. Practising any manthra without initiation (upadesham) from an able guru is like piercing one's own eyes with a needle of gold. One may feel at the outset, that I am trying to discourage the aspirants of manthra vidya. But in reality I am only trying to put forth some of the hard to digest truths about manthras. Often, people in their enthusiasm to learn manthras, conviniently overlook these facts and later repent a lot. My only advise to all is to remain humble and patient and pray to the Veda Maatha Gaayathri to kindly lead us. ||...DhiyO yOnah prachOdayaath...|| , "kmurali_sg" <kmurali_sg> wrote: > Dear All, > > Namaste. Sri Devi Bhagavatam (Skanda 11, Adhyaya - > Nityakarmanushtanakramam) suggests that, as part of Gayatri Japam, > one must: > > 1. Recite Sadakshari Gayatri Mantra once - supposedly consisting > Gayatri Mantra (24 Aksharas) followed by Jata Vedase (44 Aksharas) > and then Tryambakam (32 aksharas). > 2. Then the usual 24-akshara Gayatri should be chanted - sankhya as > per Sankalpam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Dear Sri. Srinathji, Namaste and thanks indeed for a detailed answer for my queries. 1. Sorry for misspelling shatakshari. 2. The basis of my queries was due to these: (a) I read somewhere recently that the Nityakarmanushtanam followed by most(perhaps barring some of the vaishnavite lineages) have their roots in Devi Bhagavatham's prescriptions. (b) With respect to Nityakarmanushtanam, I understood that the procedure prescribed was for one and all. With respect to Turiya pada, it has been given that "gRRihasto brahmacArI vA mokshArthI turIyAm japet". © DB also seems to contain certain practices/prescriptions for sadhakas only - for example, gayatri purascharanam, mantra diksha vidhanam etc. 3. While I agree with you that one should not go after mantras (which are given rather than taken), I think there is also another side to it : (a) Several practices could have have faded away - due to passage of time and hurry burrys of modern life. To cite an example, the morning Sandhyavandanana apparently should consist of 3 parts - normal sandhyavandana, Devarishi/Kandarishi Tarpanam and Brahma Yagyam. But the latter two are less common - mainly due to paucity of time. (b) If some one is really interested in and has the time for following the full procedure, the first basic requirement is the prescription/knowledge in the form of books, discourses, lineages etc. (b) It is quite conceivable that some of the publications might concentrate on what is in vogue today and forget about the complete and original prescriptions. To cite the same example, some of the sandhyavandana books even omit the nyasas for many of the steps. To cite another example - during a recent homam at my residence, the purohit told me that many vaidaka books are out of print and the modern day purohits are not even aware of them and the procedures contained in them. © To sum it up, what should essentially be a nitya karma/practice today may become esoteric for future generations. If it indeed is esoteric and out of bounds - no issues at all. But would it not be sad if it is because the knowledge is lost? I really believe that this kind of exchanges and knowledge sharing by the fraternity will help in this regard to a great extent - clearing ignorance and preserving and passing knowledge. My sincere apologies if any of my views are absurd or imbecile. Thanks & Regards, Murali , "Srinath Ram" <srinath_atreya> wrote: > || Jai Sadguru Dutta || > > || sadguroh paahi parama dhayaalO paahi || > > Shriimaan muralaji, > > First of all, the word "shadakshari" itself is confusing. > W.r.t the context you have qouted, I think, you meant "shatha- > akshari", the 100 lettered form of the Gaayathri maha manthra. > > 1. No one should attempt to practice any manthra (and its > vidhana) without being initiated by a Guru who belongs to that > particular sampradaaya. Here, sampradaaya doesn't mean "customs"; > rather, it means "lineage". Violating this rule will destroy the > individual. Sadly, I am witness to a few such incidents. > > 2. There may be millions of forms of the same manthra with > different manthras as suffix and prefixes. A devout sadhak, should > never bother about them at all. Running behind different manthras and > books will make the aspirant a lunatic. Please recall what the Lord > Mahadev Shiva Himself has told in the end, after creating all > Tantras: "... saptha koti mahaa manthraaNaam chittha BhramaNa > kaarakah...". > > 3. Nithya karma anushtaana should be only according to the > sampradaaya dictated by the Shrngeri Shaaradaa piita in the southern > part of Bhaaratha. Other regions of the country should follow their > respective piita's dictates. The form of karma anushtaana as has been > quoted from Shrii Shrii Devi Bhagavatham is entirely different. It > should be embraced by the sadhak only when he is specially > initiated/instructed into that. Adopting any manthra vidhana directly > from books is certainly not good. Please note that such type of karma > anushtana requires the sadhak to devout his whole life entirely to > it. It doen't go well with the present day life-style. > > 4. ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS: MANTRAS ARE NOT TAKEN; THEY ARE GIVEN. > > 5. Before getting iniated into any manthra diksha, it is always > good to do a purascharana of 10 lakh gayathri. An individual aspiring > to elevate himself to higher realms of spirituality through the > medium of mantra vidya should first surrender to Mother Gaayathri. > She only can lead us to a sadguru. When we acquire the "yogyatha", > all manthras, gurus and siddhas come to us automatically. This is the > reason why only the Gaayathri maha manthra is taught during > the "upanayana" ceremony. > > 6. Turiiya paada of Gaayathri should not be chanted by > householders. It is only for the sanyasins. However, it is also given > to some advanced sadhaks of Shriividya. > > 7. The "poorna gaayathri" and "sanjiivini vidya" (as has been > quoted), requires that the sadhak has successfully completed atleat > one full purascharana (24 lakhs) of the Gayathri (rules apply). > > 8. The sadhaka of such maha manthras should lead a highly austere > life and strictly adhere to the customs prescribed by our scriptures. > Trying out such great vidyas out of curiousity or for show-off will > destroy him. > > 9. Practising any manthra without initiation (upadesham) from an > able guru is like piercing one's own eyes with a needle of gold. > > One may feel at the outset, that I am trying to discourage the > aspirants of manthra vidya. But in reality I am only trying to put > forth some of the hard to digest truths about manthras. Often, people > in their enthusiasm to learn manthras, conviniently overlook these > facts and later repent a lot. My only advise to all is to remain > humble and patient and pray to the Veda Maatha Gaayathri to kindly > lead us. > > > ||...DhiyO yOnah prachOdayaath...|| > > , "kmurali_sg" <kmurali_sg> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Namaste. Sri Devi Bhagavatam (Skanda 11, Adhyaya - > > Nityakarmanushtanakramam) suggests that, as part of Gayatri Japam, > > one must: > > > > 1. Recite Sadakshari Gayatri Mantra once - supposedly consisting > > Gayatri Mantra (24 Aksharas) followed by Jata Vedase (44 Aksharas) > > and then Tryambakam (32 aksharas). > > 2. Then the usual 24-akshara Gayatri should be chanted - sankhya as > > per Sankalpam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudhindra T Kumara Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Dear All, The response given is valid and holds good. You see when the sadhaka is ready the Guru's will be available to those people. However If you keep collecting and searching for mantras, you will not be completing the basic mantra which you are supposed to do and you are just becoming a Library. What will happen is like a play called as "Monkey's Fasting" "Monkey's Fasting- where they are supposed to fast for 24 hours in a group - a monkey in the middle says why wait till we complete 24 hours and then search for banana's. lets keep the banana in our hand so that as soon as we complete 24 hours we can eat them without further wasting time. all the monkeys agreed. Then another monkey suggested let us peel the banana skin and keep ready - all the monkeys agreed and keeping the peeled bananas in their hand. Then finally another monkey said; let us keep bananas in our mouth and as soon as 24 hours complete we can just swallow. - Here the logic is correct from the monkey's angle however. They dont have self-control to wait till 24 hours." If people possess mantras they just want to chant for some days and see the result, - without basic foundation they don't seem to work and they will loose interest / zeal / health (physical / mental) or it could lead to anything. As per me initially when people start practicing - they should be doing two things 1. do Gayathri 2. have control over food (i.e. not eating outside food etc.,) and avoid Tamasic Food as well as Rajasic Food, I know it is very very very difficult in todays world. There are no alternate routes. Everybody is carrying over their own WAR (inside as well as outside) you cannot compare yourself to anyone in the world, because it is unique - so keep continuing the basic practice till the divinity takes care of your spiritual practice. Do not doubt about your practice - whether you are doing it correctly or not. if you keep practicing and surrender to GURU. after few days of months you will get a hint or clue either through some one talking to you or through a book to correct that part of the practice etc., You should be actively alert to receive those subtle messages. Regards, Sudheendra Kumara Saraswathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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