Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Possible reason for this is that the mantra appears in that form in rudram. Hence, rules applied shruti are applied. I am guessing here. panchaxari is a treasure of shruti. It is said that yajur veda forms the middle of veda-s, in that rudram forms its middle and right in the heart of rudram is the sacred five syllable namaH shivAya. That is why it said that it is the essence of shruti (Tamil: vedam nAN^ginum meypporuLAvathu nAthan nAmam namaH shivAyave) Ravi > > ymoharir [ymoharir] > Monday, August 30, 2004 8:13 PM > > Re: Sakti panchakshari > > > > Dear Satish-Ji: > > What could be the reason for this tradition? <snip> > > , "Satish Raja Arigela" > <satisharigela> wrote: > > Panchakshari is not the same for everyone. > > For males of the first three castes it is Namah Shivaya. > > For women,shudras and others Panchakshari is Shivaya namaha. > > > > The above variation is according to Suta Samhita, Shiva Purana, > > Srividyarnava and other Puranic and Tantric texts. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Namaste, As far as I know when shivAya is used it is referredto as Gowri Panchakshari and not shakthi panchakshari. Shakthi panchakshari is the use of Bhuvaneshwari Bijam. Corrections most welcome. GP --- kothganesh <kothganesh wrote: > Dear Sir: > > I absolutely concur with your views on that the > panchakshari can be > recited anywhere anytime. The same goes for the > shakti panchakshari. > However the mantra itself needs some clarification. > The common form > of the Shakthi panchakshari has the shakthi bija > preceding the "nama > shivaya"(for obvious reasons I have not typed the > full mantra). The > dhyana mantra also reveals the form on which the > sadhaka has to > meditate on. In this context I am eager and curious > to know where > the mantra "Om NamaHshivAya" comes to be called the > shakthi > panchakshari. I understand that the A with the > dirgha refers to the > Mother. But this is not a version I am familiar with > or have seen in > books (as a matter of fact I have been initiated > into the Shakthi > panchakshari). > I eagerly look forward to your reply. > > Thanks and regards > Ganesh > > , "sgesh" <sgesh> > wrote: > > Dear Devotees, > > Late joinee into this thread. Still thought of > sharing > something > > on this very important subject. > > Before proceeding further, the mantra > "namaHshivAya" is > referred > > as shakti panchAkshara and "namaHshivaya" is > referred as shiva > > panchAkshara. Note the A shortened, as "shivA" is > the name that > > refers to the Goddess inseparable from the God. > There are many > more > > panchAkshara as told in Agama and related texts, > which would be a > > subject in itself and hence restricted to this > level of detail > here. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 sgesh <sgesh wrote: Dear Devotees, However regarding the specific panchAkshara "namaHshivAya" (also called sthUla panchAkshara) there is absolutely no restriction of whatsoever. It can be chanted by anybody, It can be chanted any time of the day. It can be chanted without any special initiation. Definitely the statement above would require authenticity. The following could provide that. a. thunychalum thunychalilAtha pOzthinum nenychalam nainthu ninaimin - sambandhar (Meaning: Whether you are asleep or awake with heartfelt devotion think the Holy Five Syllables.) namaH shivAya Love, Ganesh Namsakar. To say that the Mantra requires " NO INITIATION" May not be Correct , as it appears to me from various verses of Tirumantiram of Tirumular (T). T who after having received the percepts of Sivagama from Lord Shiva Himself, reached Thillai (chidambaram) and witnessed the God's Cosmic Dance. Here he realised the purpose of his existence -- to fulfill the mission of rendering of the Agamic truths in Tamil. Quote : Verse 2705 guruvaziyaya gunangali nindru karu vaziyaya kanakkai arukka varum vazi maala marukkaval laarkat karulvazi kattuva thanchezuth thamae. Meaning : Take to the Way the GURU SHOWED and blot out the reckoning of births, to them who seek to close the birth's cyclic way the FIVE LETTERS alone show the Grace . There are other Manthirams also which can be quoted indicating the Important role of Guru who is none other than Shiva as Dakshina Murthy. unQuote : In our family the older generation of females used to tell me that the Mantra in order to be effective has to be taken from their Husbands and not from anybody. Once initiated and if sincere the Mantra goes on its own. Ganapathy / Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Yes. You are right. GP --- seeksha <seeksha wrote: > , "sgesh" <sgesh> > wrote: > > > Before proceeding further, the mantra > "namaHshivAya" is > referred > > as shakti panchAkshara and "namaHshivaya" is > referred as shiva > > panchAkshara. Note the A shortened, as "shivA" is > the name that > > > The 4th case or chaturthi vibhakti for the word > 'shiva' > is 'shivaaya' (akaaraanta masuline). It does not > refer to AmbaaL > here. If you want to say I salute shiva, rama, > krishna etc you would > say shivaaya namaH, raamaaya namaH krishNaaya namaH > etc. So 'shivaya > namaH' is grammatically incorrect. > > Incidentally, the 4th case for the word 'shivaa' > meaning ambaaL > is 'shivaayai' (akaaraanta feminine). > You can appreciate this in the ardhanaariiShvara > stotra > refrain, 'namaH shivaayai cha namaH shivaaya' > > Shakti panchakshari has an additional biija after > praNava in > panchaaxari. > > > > > panchAkshara "namaHshivAya" (also called sthUla > panchAkshara) > there > > is absolutely no restriction of whatsoever. It can > be chanted by > > anybody, It can be chanted any time of the day. It > can be chanted > > without any special initiation. In fact it needs > to be chanted by > the > > devotees all through the day irrespective of the > state they are > in. > > > Regarding the various rules in recitation of mantras > etc, 'veda > saara shiva naamaani' posts might be of some > interest. I will cover > the pramaNas dealing with rules for mantra > recitation etc, but the > focus is towards the recitation of shiva naamaa that > does not > require any rule and shines like fire that purifies > all. > > I was really surprised to see the vast amount of > pramaaNas ranging > from Vedas all the way to puraNas and shankara > bhashyams that shrii > bhagavan naamaa bhodhendra sarasvatii and shrii > shriidhara aiyaavaaL > have cited to establish naama sidhaantaa. It is the > one and only > religious discipline which is open to one and all > irrespective of > any classifications like varNa, Ashrama, sthaana > etc. > > Aravind > > > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Quoting seeksha <seeksha: > , "sgesh" <sgesh> wrote: > > > Before proceeding further, the mantra "namaHshivAya" is > referred > > as shakti panchAkshara and "namaHshivaya" is referred as shiva > > panchAkshara. Note the A shortened, as "shivA" is the name that > > > The 4th case or chaturthi vibhakti for the word 'shiva' > is 'shivaaya' (akaaraanta masuline). It does not refer to AmbaaL > here. If you want to say I salute shiva, rama, krishna etc you would > say shivaaya namaH, raamaaya namaH krishNaaya namaH etc. So 'shivaya > namaH' is grammatically incorrect. > > Incidentally, the 4th case for the word 'shivaa' meaning ambaaL > is 'shivaayai' (akaaraanta feminine). > You can appreciate this in the ardhanaariiShvara stotra > refrain, 'namaH shivaayai cha namaH shivaaya' I agree with you Aravind. And as you said shivaH in dative format becomes shivAya (like shrImAtA becoming shrImAtre). Which in tamil will be shivanukku namaskAram, shrImAtAviRku namaskAram. Books such as nityAhnIkam published by R.S. Vadhyar & Sons in Sanskrit give all the details of shakti panchAxarI with nyAsa-s, dhyAna etc. Now coming back to Ganesh (shaivam.org)'s comment. what he is saying is something specific to shaiva siddhAnta (and a tamilized version of that). I have a Tamil book titled "thiruvainthezhuththu" (the sacred five syllables) which gives lots of reference from tamil works and they kind of make it as if it is a Tamil mantra. And denote it as chivayanama, namachivaya, chivayachiva etc. There are explanations given such as chirappu, vanappu, yAppu (gives a quote from tholkAppiyam for why yA becomes ya), naDappu, maRaippu etc. In fact the compiler of the book goes to the extent that namachivaya is a tamil mantra and all mantras come from it and it has nothing to do with sanskrit. He explicitly says that it is not a dative form of the name shiva. He also says it is a myth that mantra-s are of sanskrit (vaDamozhi - northern language) origin. This book is published by Sri Ramanatha PiLLai of Thirunelveli shaiva sidhdhAnta kazhagam in 1970. His basic support for this from some verses in thirumanthiram (such as 982). As you know, thirumular does play with syllables of panchAxarI giving different insights and also methods to draw chakra-s. But I dont think ever it was Thirumular's intention to show that this is basically a tamil mantra. In fact, his autobiographical reference indeed tells that shiva asked to him (mular) make works on shiva (in Sanskrit) be available in Tamil (thannai thamizh cheyyumARE). I personally dont agree with some of the claims in that book. However, it is a very scholaraly book and written in pure Tamil (which many modern Tamil readers will find it quite difficult to understand). I, however, agree with Ganesh's quotes from nAyanmArs which supports that this mantra is open to one and all. That has been the view of Tamil shaiva tradition for over 1500 years or more. When there is divided opinion in the scriptures itself, I think we should take the one with the broadest scope. I request Satish Arigela to give original verses from the purAna-s that talk about the restriction placed on this mantra. My 2c. Ravi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Satish: Thanks for spending your time and effort to post the original verses. I will probably edit (sometime next year) this entire conversation and add it to our subject faq. Ravi > > Satish Raja Arigela [satisharigela] > Wednesday, September 15, 2004 3:17 PM > > Re: Sakti panchakshari > <snip> > > Satish Arigela to give original verses from the purAna-s that talk > about the > > restriction placed on this mantra. > > 17 th chapter of Vidyeshvara Samhita of Shiva-MahaPurana says, <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anitha Posted November 6, 2013 Report Share Posted November 6, 2013 What is the gowri panchakshari and a women in sudhras how can get this...please tell me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tejasri Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 naku gowri panchakshari mantram kavali .how can i get this ......... pls tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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