Guest guest Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Venkataraman Ranganathan <kaamakshi wrote:"Venkataraman Ranganathan" srividya101 DEvil MAhAtmyA - Chapters Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:04:02 +0530 Pranam Shri NairSaab I seem to have given an expression of arrogance in the spntaneous response.I am extremely sorry. As I was writing the eralier letter to Ganpathyji I was thinking it was more for me than for others. It does not address persons rather the Devils in us. It emerged out of a sense of helplessness as these distractions take a heavy toll on our sadhana. A bhaktha does not know the order, basis etc but has only implicit faith and total surrender. He has one thing "seeking" - The seeking for Divinity, divinising every aspect of life, immersing itself in dvine thoughts. Divine thoughts are not necessarily scholarly thoughts. Divine life is very tough where we put actions and thoughts to critical dissection and seek a resolve to correct ourselves the next time, each time. It is really tough. We can repeat a mantra lac times or crore times and we can even have Her Darshan but we cannot correct our inner core. If we take the example of Asuras, did they not do thapas? Why then they either did whatever are attributed to them? The answer lies somewhere. It is that they did not correct the fundementals. They did have darshana but the impure mind got distracted. Was not Ravana a great scholar too? With all his scholarship did he not do Mahapathakas? These ithihasasas have deeper and inner significance - not meanings. Each sadhaka has to dwelve deeper by introspection into these matters and seek divine guidance. Divine guidance comes from within and not from outside. We need to cultivate the habbit of seeking divinity in each action or thought of ours. Then we are at least not away from THAT. The beauty, order, sublime phenomenon reveals itself in each action around us. We know the thoughts are not ours but HERS, we realise the success or failures are not due to our efforts but due to HER Will. The order reveals itself to us as an antharanga and not as words. Words mean something else in That state. what we have been all along talking becomes intimate to us, just as when you enjoy eating sweets. It is real and not words. The order will reveal itself. You may have interest or no interest. It may not be in any scriptures. This is how Shri Shri BhaskaraRayar and all other mahans realised it, out of love for Divinity. Scholarship was a bye-product. That is again why Scholars - though briliant -are not endowed with the humility or even the taste for that. If we see humility in a scholar let us recognise that he is a noble soul but happens to be a scholar as She wants him to preserve these vidyas for certain purpose - like Radhakrishna Sastrigal. It goes on....like river, I am life. Let us divinise it. Let us pray to Her that She lets us do the paadaaravinda Anusanthanam in all our sthithis. Pranam and Hari om. Again apologising if I had hurt your sentiments by the words. Regards Venkat Ranganathan Venkata Raman FCA Chartered Accountant Audit Manager, Dubai National Insurance & Reinsurance PSC PO Box - 1806, Dubai, United Arab Emirates Ph: 009714-2635568® - 0097150-4535970 (Mobile) ----Original Message Follows---- ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 kaamakshi Fwd: Re: Fwd: DEviI MAhAtmyA - Chapter 5 devi sthuthi Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote: "Madathil Rajendran Nair" Thu, 16 Sep 2004 05:06:45 -0000 Re: Fwd: DEviI MAhAtmyA - Chapter 5 devi sthuthi Namaste Shri Ganapathyji. Thanks for posting Shri Venkataraman Ranganathan's advice and words of wisdom in the matter. Incidentally, all the verses mentioned by me refers to Her sulabhA aspect. I am just trying to 'grip' them with a better understanding. If Shri Venkataramaman Ranganathan can help me in this endeavour, instead of brushing aside the whole thing as necessary, I shall be most grateful. Thanks for sharing your understanding in a previous message. PraNAms. Madathil Nair _________________________ --- Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Namaste Shri Venkataraman Ranganathanji. Immense thanks for your post# 7260. I would be being dishonest to myself if I say I didn't feel offended. I have to confess I was terribly upset initially and wanted to send you a real `stinker' because it was not my intention to be scholarly when I sent in my first post on the topic to the List. To be honest, your position in the company you are employed in and all the contact details appearing at the end of your post annoyed me very much. I thought: "Hey, look this guy talks so much about surrender to Her but yet is very particular about highlighting details of his mundane status!". Sorry I misunderstood you so very badly. However, She prevailed over me at last and made me write out a politely-worded short reply. In fact, She wrote it for me. I am happy that it has paid off resulting in a better understanding between us. Now, I have no problem accepting what you wrote as I see only Her in your words, your misunderstanding that I was trying to be scholarly and your understandable antipathy for scholarship in matters of bhakti. She has Her on ways of appearing in Her sulabhA aspect (as you say) in many diverse ways. What right do I have to choose between them and demand eternal pleasantry? Don't we sing `yA dEvi sarvabhUteSu bhrAnti (error) rUpeNa samstitA' and accept it as a fact? Even after I sent out my reply, the annoyance was still lingering. I was driving back home with resentment brimming up and clouding my mind. It was then that I remembered the currently ongoing discussion on advaitic sAdhana at Advaitin, where I have been waxing eloquent on the need for abhyAsa. I was ashamed of my thoughts and began chanting the LalitA SahasranAmavali straight away. Lo! The nAmapArAyaNaprItA started smiling. The resentment vanished replaced by the reddish hue of our SarvaruNA and AnavadhyAngI as we see Her on the home page of Ambaa-l – all smiles and splendour! Thanks to you, who is none other than Her, I have been taught a great lesson. I shudder to think of the consequences if I had continued in my offended mood and taken cudgels with you. Besides embarrassing you and Shri Ganapathyji, I would have been inflicting unnecessary pain on myself. What a shabby, abominable, self-proclaimed bhakta that would have made of me! To tell you honestly, this is not the first time I have had difference of opinion in the Lists I am participating. However, it is a gratifying thought that self-restraint and timely apologies have always helped me emerge better educated from awkward situations and maintain very friendly relations with other Members. In matters advaitic, I am perhaps boringly repetitive due to my immense ardour for the subject, which prompts other Members to express veiled sarcasm. In all such circumstances, I have made it a habit to write polite personal posts to them off-list asking the reason for their sarcasm and if they thought I could improve in any way. Some of them reply. That helps build better mutual understanding. Others don't. Well, then I accept their silence without resentment and continue. Now, let me come back to the raison d'etre of my original post. By now, I might have chanted the whole of Devi MAhAtmya as many as five hundred times. It took me only about ten chants to memorize the entire 11th Chapter (NArAyanI Stuti), which I might have by now chanted thousands of times. I chant it morning and evening and whenever I get free time or am confronted with difficulties. The results have been amazing even in my daily transactions, not to speak of the spiritual. For instance, if I am toiling trying to locate an old reference in our office archives, I have found to my surprise that the document in question materializes from nowhere in front of my eyes when I earnestly sit back and chant the NArAyaNI Stuti. Once I had misplaced the keys of the suitcase I was carrying through the customs where I couldn't open it in time. I was fidgety and frantically trying all the keys I had. I then thought of seeking Her Help and began a mental chant of the stuti. Lo, the suitcase opened with the first key I tried. Such instances are rather many in my life. Let me revert from this digression to the point I was trying to make. Despite my ability to easily memorize the different Devi StOtrAs, the stuti in the 5th Chapter has always eluded memory's grasp after all these years of repeated reading. The difficulty in memorizing it lies in the progression of the verses. They go in a certain apparently random order from vishNumAyA to chEtanA to buddhi to nidrA and so on. When I chant them without the text in front of me, I get mixed up. In such situations, normally I employ mnemonics. When I guide my daughter in her lessons where she has to remember several important points from a lesson, I normally compose a helpful rhyme for her with the first letters of the points to be memorized. I am sure you have seen this practice employed in early Indian mathematics and astrology where difficult equations or principles are presented in the form of easily rememberable shlOkAs. Sadly to say, I couldn't invent any mnemonic aide to help me learn the 5th chapter by heart. She was eluding me. I besought Her for help. No avail. She only smiled – perhaps meaning: "I have granted you the intelligence to find it out for yourself. Why don't you try again?". It was then that I thought there could be a secret relationship between these various sulabhA aspects of Her manifestation around us. Being precise in number, their order in the Chapter couldn't be random. The verses could be a mnemonic device in themselves pointing at a higher truth knowing which it would be easier for me to memorize the chapter in right order. This is the reason for my writing to the List for help. Is this a scholarly pursuit, Sir? The assistance received from Shri Ganapathyji has, no doubt, broadened my understanding. Yet, it has not completely answered my question. Perhaps, you, Sir, or Raviji or Satishji can help. I am sure you all have by-hearted the Chapter and may be in a position to grant me some helpful hints. Thanks once again and praNAms to all. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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