Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 While learning DM, in the Kavacham, there appears negative connotations of Dakini and Shakini when one of us asked our Adhyapak as to why the LS praises them as forms of Lalita but here they are warded against, he said that the explanation by it self was a topic for another time and did not get into it. is DM and LS referring to the same Dakini etc... if so why the difference? regards vishwanathan --- Satish Raja Arigela <satisharigela wrote: > > , "Ravisankar S. > Mayavaram" > <miinalochanii> wrote: > > Are there special procedures to worship chakra > devata-s described > >in > > sahasranama starting from mantra-s vishuddhi > chakra nilaya etc. > >It says she > > is pAyasanna priya -- which would be an ideal > offering for her. > > In a certain work called bhuvaneshvarI rahasya(not > sure if this is > the same work that is quoted in Trishati bhasya), > specific pUja-s > are mentioned for all the chakra devata-s as part of > bhuvaneshvarI > pUjA vidhi. > > It gives dhyAna for each chakra devata followed by a > mantra and > requesting Her to accept the pUja. This is followed > by another > mantra asking Her to come near and ends saying > ...(chakra devata)..(male counterpart)..pAdukAM > pUjayAmi namaH. > This is followed by a nyAsa with AvaraNa devatas of > each chakra > devata. This is like a short pUja or more likely > done mentally. > The dAkinI dhyAna given in this work is as follows: > > raktAraktaM trinetrAM pashujanabhayakR^ic.h > chUla kaTvA~ngahastAM vAme kheTaM dadhAnAm.h > caShakamapi surApUritaM caiva vaktra > matyugrAmugradaMShTrAmarikulamathinIm.h > **pAyasAnnaprasaktAM kaNThasthAne** a.mR^itAdyaiH > parivR^itavapuShaM bhAvayeDDAkinIM tAm.h > > Print is not clear. > > >Ideally > > from the location and the name tvakstha she may be > connected to > >throat and > > skin ailments. Is this a correct conclusion? > > Looks like. Not sure though. auShadhAtmikA is given > as one of Her > AvaraNa devata-s in the text. > > Regards > > > Also are there spcific temples in India connected > to these chakra > >devata-s? > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Namasthe from my limited understanding of DM and LS -- the negative connotations of dakini and Shakini is in respect of an ignorant soul and we cant owe these to the Yoginies themselves as these yoginies are responsible BOTH for Vidya and Avidya depending on the state of the sadhak. If you refer to my recent mail on Shakini , an unrealised soul is carried away by sensual pleasures relating to sex and smell due to herinfluence because of Maya. This Power whether it is positive or negative originates from Shakini. we all know the EGO is related to Shakini and also being beyond Ego is also realting to Her as She relates to Ahamkara in the mind and all dangerous tendencies arising out of ahamkara. So Can we owe this to Shakini ? Similarly the dakini rules over the sound, mouth among the organs of actions. The same mouth which can abuse in an ignorant Jiva may pray in a satvic Jiva. Therefore it appears to me that the references to Yoginies are not overriding. The Kavacha is for the physical body and is the basis of sadhana and also a receptacle for the Divine. therefore the kavacha has to protect an unrealised soul looking for enlightenment progress in strength in the mind and body.it has to be made to resist the onslaughts of the forces that stand in the way of such a change acquired from previous impressions of the mind.the mantras which envelope the body makes the sadhak strong thus denying the negative forces that could attack. if one notices the kavacha spells each part of the body part by part and assigns the protection to a deity. ganapathy vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy wrote: While learning DM, in the Kavacham, there appears negative connotations of Dakini and Shakini when one of us asked our Adhyapak as to why the LS praises them as forms of Lalita but here they are warded against, he said that the explanation by it self was a topic for another time and did not get into it. is DM and LS referring to the same Dakini etc... if so why the difference? regards vishwanathan --- Satish Raja Arigela <satisharigela wrote: > > , "Ravisankar S. > Mayavaram" > <miinalochanii> wrote: > > Are there special procedures to worship chakra > devata-s described > >in > > sahasranama starting from mantra-s vishuddhi > chakra nilaya etc. > >It says she > > is pAyasanna priya -- which would be an ideal > offering for her. > > In a certain work called bhuvaneshvarI rahasya(not > sure if this is > the same work that is quoted in Trishati bhasya), > specific pUja-s > are mentioned for all the chakra devata-s as part of > bhuvaneshvarI > pUjA vidhi. > > It gives dhyAna for each chakra devata followed by a > mantra and > requesting Her to accept the pUja. This is followed > by another > mantra asking Her to come near and ends saying > ...(chakra devata)..(male counterpart)..pAdukAM > pUjayAmi namaH. > This is followed by a nyAsa with AvaraNa devatas of > each chakra > devata. This is like a short pUja or more likely > done mentally. > The dAkinI dhyAna given in this work is as follows: > > raktAraktaM trinetrAM pashujanabhayakR^ic.h > chUla kaTvA~ngahastAM vAme kheTaM dadhAnAm.h > caShakamapi surApUritaM caiva vaktra > matyugrAmugradaMShTrAmarikulamathinIm.h > **pAyasAnnaprasaktAM kaNThasthAne** a.mR^itAdyaiH > parivR^itavapuShaM bhAvayeDDAkinIM tAm.h > > Print is not clear. > > >Ideally > > from the location and the name tvakstha she may be > connected to > >throat and > > skin ailments. Is this a correct conclusion? > > Looks like. Not sure though. auShadhAtmikA is given > as one of Her > AvaraNa devata-s in the text. > > Regards > > > Also are there spcific temples in India connected > to these chakra > >devata-s? > > > > > > The all-new My - What will yours do? -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h www : http://www.ambaa.org/ Contact: help / Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 thank you very much, this may also explain why in parihara prayoga of Sudarshana Homam, we ask for relief from Pratyangira and others while Pratyangira is the guardian deity of SriVidya upasakas. regards vishwanathan --- Satish Raja Arigela <satisharigela wrote: > > , vishwanthan > Krishnamoorthy > <krishvishy> wrote: > > While learning DM, in the Kavacham, there appears > > negative connotations of Dakini and Shakini > > I was told that Shakti can be either duShta(evil) or > shiShTa > (good/noble), and that all are contained in Devi. > Hence the negative > cannotations and prayer for protection from such. > > The guptavatI, Bhaskararaya's commentary on > Saptashati explains that > by sahajA, kulajA, dAkini, shAkini etc., duShTa > shakti-s are meant. > > One can probably compare with Rudram, where at times > Bhagavan Rudra > is requested not to harm the devotee or his kin with > His bow and > sharp arrow tips and other weapons. It is also > mentioned that these > Rudra-s will severely punish sinners and those who > are wicked. > > > > is DM and LS referring to the same Dakini etc... > if so > > why the difference? > > Probably the same. > > Regards > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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