Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Briefly and AFAIK A) In south the shiva-vishishhTaadvaita is based on the shrikaNThaacharya's commentary on brahma suutra-s and it was fashioned based on shrii raamanuja's commentary. Hence, the basis is raamanuja's siddhanta. But it is possible to arrive at vishishhTaadvaiata independent of raamanuja, as he himself cite many previous aacharya-s of this tradition. Hence, one can not rule out an independent north indian version of shiva-vishishhTaadvaita. B) Sri appaya diixita reinterpreted shrikaNThaacharya to fall in line with advaita-vedantA of our achaarya. Sri appayya had a unique perspective into both advaita and vishishhTaadvaita; largely due to the fact that his maternal great grandfather (is maternal grandmother is an iyengar) was a vishishhTaadvaitin. This helped him largely to develop a solid basis of smArta's way of worshipping Siva and Vishnu alike. You can look at his family tree below (I dont know how accuate it is all the way down) http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/v/Pattamadai-K-Sivaswami/TREE/000\ 3tree.html As most of you know, the shaiva-vaishhNava dvesham is quite foreign to smaarta-s and we dont buy into this meaningless argument of Siva is greater than vishhNu (or the vice versa). Having said that many Tamil iyers do not realize that they are not shaiva-s but they are smArta-s. I myself was in such a confusion when I was young and used wonder why there are so many Narayanan's and Srinivasan's in our family circle. It took me quite a while to realize what the true smArta's way is. As kAnchi mahAperiyava says, we always utter (or write) nArAyaNa, and we wear bhasma like shaiva-s, and the fact of the matter is -- at the deepest core we are all worshippers of ambaaL. (And we dont see any difference between them). Ravi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Technically, smArta means one who follows smRti. smArta-s are *NOT* shaiva-s. In this context, please read the wonderful article "Sankara sampradayam" by Kanchi Mahaperiyava at: http://advaita-vedanta.org/series/shankara_sampradaya/sankara_sampradayam_top.ht\ m Ravi > , "rajita_rajvasishth" > <rajita_rajvasishth> wrote: > >>>which had been organised with a view to >>>stemming the tide of Vaishnavite attacks and encroachments. > > >>I heard from a south Indian friend who belongs to the same ethnic >>community as Appayya that he was a Smarta, that is a non-sectarian >>brahmin. Does the above mean that many Smartas or South Indian were >>actually mildly or directly oriented towards Shaiva view-point. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Namaskar Observation : All Smartas if he is Dwija, doing regular Sandhya anushtanams becomes a " Devi Upasaka" by default or as a preselected option, even though he may not necessarily Express her as Ishta devata. Finally What Mantra could be Greater than the Maha Mantra -- Gayathry ? Ganapathy Satish <satisharigela wrote: , Ravi Mayavaram <ravi@a...> wrote: > Undoubtedly, all Smarta-s are not Devi worshippers nor does Devi worship has anything to do with being a Smarta in an ideal sense. Devi is not necessarily the iShTa devata for *all* Smarta-s. They might worship Her as part of Panchayatana Puja but not necessarily the iShTa devata. -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h Web: http://www.ambaa.org/ ======================================================= devi prasIda paripAlaya no.aribhiiter nityaM yathAsuravadhAdadhunaiva sadyaH | pApAni sarvajagatAM prashamaM nayAshu utpAtapAkajanitA.nshcha mahopasargAn.h || Be informed, visit: http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/ ======================================================= / Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Namasthe, Your observation that , in Shaktha tradition claiming superiority of one deity over other is Very True and apt reply . I would to draw the attention of the members to the Practical sadhana . This truth is amply demonstrated in the " Sri Vidya Navavarana Puja " , that Ambaaji's Main Avarana Puja commences only after doing the puja to the other main forms such as Maha Ganapathy, Aditya, Mahavishnu and Shamba Parameshwara -- popularly known as Chaturaya Puja. even the form of Kowmaram or the puja to Lord subramanya is taken care by the Sadhaks which is done soon after Thrishati archana. This only proves that it is only Ambaa that exists as other forms. Regards Ganapathy seeksha <seeksha Is this reference to, 'ante shaaktaH bhahiH shaivaH vyaavahaareShu vaiShNavaH' 'ante shaktaH' refers to the non acceptance of 'devataantara taaratamya vaada' prominent in both shaiva and vaishnava traditions. Claiming superiority of one deity over another is generally not accepted in the shakta tradition. Shaktas have the understanding that one supreme Ishvara/Ishvarii is visible in different names and forms. This is very much reflected in the upaasana paddhati. 'aseShanaama ruupaadi bhedhashcheda raviprabhaa' Aravind -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h Web: http://www.ambaa.org/ ======================================================= devi prasIda paripAlaya no.aribhiiter nityaM yathAsuravadhAdadhunaiva sadyaH | pApAni sarvajagatAM prashamaM nayAshu utpAtapAkajanitA.nshcha mahopasargAn.h || Be informed, visit: http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/ ======================================================= / Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 --- ganapathy = = vijaya <srividya101 wrote: > Namasthe, > This only proves that it is only Ambaa that exists > as other forms. > > Regards > > Ganapathy > This is a personal choice and any debate will prove unfruitful, start with a presumption based on your feelings and proceed with the sadana, during yagyopavita dharanam we say during sankalpam "Sroutha smartha vihitha sadachara nithya karmaanushtanaa yogyatha sidhyartham..." i.e. for a smartha the code of conduct is as is in the smriti. once that is established upasana is a personal choice or as is in many cases the kula/ishta devatha or as followed in the family. to infer that smarthas are inclined to Siva may not be true and is a regional phenomenon. during sankalpa some say "sri parameswara preethyartham..." where as others say "vishnoragnaya pravarthamanasa etc..." regards vishwanathan Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 The edifice of our Dharma is built on Shruthy and Smriti . The vedas which is eternal gave to the prime mover the appellation Aditi, the primodial force which EXTENDS IN ALL and CONTAINS in ALL, the Supreme Shakthi, the Divine Mother who gives birth to the All Gods and Goddesses. The Shakthi is the origin and source of ALL. she is verily the cause of creation and nothing is there if she be not there. As said in earlier mail the Dwijas though they brand themselves as Shaivites or Vaishnavites they are all Shakthas for they ferverently worship Gayathry, the primodial Goddess from whom all the Brand equities arise. This cant be disputed. There could be dispute on the superiority between Shaivites and Vaishnavites on Shiva or Vishnu but when it comes to Mother the disputes are silenced. So.the worship of Shakthi is the life breath of our Dharma. Regards ganapathy vishwanthan Krishnamoorthy <krishvishy wrote: This is a personal choice and any debate will prove unfruitful, start with a presumption based on your feelings and proceed with the sadana, during yagyopavita dharanam we say during sankalpam "Sroutha smartha vihitha sadachara nithya karmaanushtanaa yogyatha sidhyartham..." i.e. for a smartha the code of conduct is as is in the smriti. once that is established upasana is a personal choice or as is in many cases the kula/ishta devatha or as followed in the family. to infer that smarthas are inclined to Siva may not be true and is a regional phenomenon. during sankalpa some say "sri parameswara preethyartham..." where as others say "vishnoragnaya pravarthamanasa etc..." regards vishwanathan Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h Web: http://www.ambaa.org/ ======================================================= devi prasIda paripAlaya no.aribhiiter nityaM yathAsuravadhAdadhunaiva sadyaH | pApAni sarvajagatAM prashamaM nayAshu utpAtapAkajanitA.nshcha mahopasargAn.h || Be informed, visit: http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/ ======================================================= / Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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