Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 The way you describe her it seems to be Rajarajeshvari Maa. Also, I beleive call by Tripurasundari Maa. Dolly "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote: Namaste all The murti in my puja has abhaya hasta (right hand) and varada hasta (left hand) and ankusha in the upper right hand and pAsha in the upper left hand. She is sitting with left leg folded and right leg stretched. Very much like the picture in the Home page of the Lalitha (except for the sugarcane and lotus interchanged for the varada and abhaya hastas.) This murti has been in our family for probably 200 years or so. In my father's time lakhs and lakhs of archanas have been performed by him to this murti and I have also done a few times in my own time. [Moderator's note: Edited to remove the quoted text. Quote only what is necessary] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 [sorry for the previous empty message, I have deleted it from the archive. It was an accident of control keys] Dear Sir: 1) Please see the following images. I think #a is what you describe. a) http://www.ambaa.org/images/Bhuvaneshvari.jpg b) http://www.alankritha.com/images/rajarajeshwari.jpg 2) Regarding saundaryalaharI-4, please refer to what paramAcharya says about it in volume 6. (From memory) it is a poetic liberty Acharya takes there and one should not read too much into it. 3) There are many variants in what each hand does. For instance, abhayAmbikA has abhaya in right hand and Urdhva hasta in the left. She hold japa mala in the top right (it almost looks like chakram in the vigraham) and a water vessel in the top left. From distance, she is looks like Balaji. ( I have beautiful photo and I will scan it soon & post) 4) Some works salute with the traditional four for ambA even if she does not have them in that particular form. To give an example, there are verses addressing Sri Meenakshi as holding pAsha, ankusha, puShpa bANa, and ixu kodaNDa. Often the specific form of images and the reasons for that are explained in the sthala purANa of each temple. So best is to identify the temple and refer to its sthala puraNa. With best regards, Ravi On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:06:07 -0800 (PST), V. Krishnamurthy <profvk wrote: > The murti in my puja has abhaya hasta (right hand) and > varada hasta (left hand) and ankusha in the upper right > hand and pAsha in the upper left hand. She is sitting with > left leg folded and right leg stretched. Very much like the > picture in the Home page of the Lalitha (except > for the sugarcane and lotus interchanged for the varada and > abhaya hastas.) This murti has been in our family for > probably 200 years or so. In my father's time lakhs and > lakhs of archanas have been performed by him to this murti > and I have also done a few times in my own time. > > Now tell me. Is She Raja Rajeshvari or Lalitha or > Bhuvaneshvari? Though it is easy to take all are the same, > I would like to know whether this particular type of > combination of features in the murti categorise Her in any > way. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 [Moderator's note: Edited to remove the quoted text from previous message. Quote only what is necessary] There is one aspect one should never forget. whatever be the shape of the murti when "lakhs and lakhs of archanas have been performed by him to this murti and I have also done a few times in my own time" and when pooja has been done to her as Raja Rajeswaro, she is Rajarajeshwari. "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote: The murti in my puja has abhaya hasta (right hand) and varada hasta (left hand) and ankusha in the upper right hand and pAsha in the upper left hand. She is sitting with left leg folded and right leg stretched. Very much like the picture in the Home page of the Lalitha (except for the sugarcane and lotus interchanged for the varada and abhaya hastas.) This murti has been in our family for probably 200 years or so. In my father's time lakhs and lakhs of archanas have been performed by him to this murti and I have also done a few times in my own time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Namasthe. Before we discuss on the features of the Murti , we should understand, how in earlier times the Murti used to be shaped. The Artisan used to be called and given the Dhyana Sthotram and Moola mantra for the particular Devatha intended to be sculpted. The sculptor is expected to repeat this continuously while at work with the metal or stone and by the divine grace the murti takes the proper shape as per the (directions given by the Guru) in the Dhyana stotram. But I doubt nowadays whether this is still being followed to as we live in an era of Mass production and profitability. May be the bigger stone murti intended for the temples are made by following this rule.. While the ONE Supreme is omniscient, present and presides is in all living and non living things, it is also true that there exists a number of Gods and goddesses .The one does not negate the many and operate in their respective fields of operation. Each divine form has a distinctive form or Swarupa which is special to that Rupa and only to that Rupa, in the world of Names and forms of Gods and Goddesses. When we meditate upon Bhuvaneshwari Beeja Mantra, it is obvious,the form of Lalitha or kaali would not appear before us, due to the Mantra being the sound body of that specific deity alone and when mediated upon continuously, the body of the deity is revealed to the Sadhak. Based on the Vision emerges the “ Dhyana shlokam. “ and that is the principle of Dhyana Shloka. The sadhak becomes the very devatha through intense penance by completely surrendering the individuality, the sense of I – ness and My – ness in all parts of one’s being and entrusting himself to the mantra or Devatha. When the grace of Ambaa Om sets in, the Mask of Maya is removed and the individual consciousness dissolves completely in the universal consciousness. Before the grace sets in the sadhak gets the divine care and protection which can’t be really explained in words and that adoption creates an immense faith and motivates him to do intense penance. In my next mail let us deliberate over the Dhyana Sholams of Lalitha, Bhuvneshwari and others – Ambaa willing and try to compare it with the murti you possess. I think this should be the basis of determination on which one should decide the name of the murti.. With Divine Regards to the member Jai Ambaa ganapathy "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote: Namaste all Since in this group there are several knowledgeable devotees and upAsakas of ambaa, I am asking this question which is personally important for me. I have a silver murti (2.5 in. in height) in my daily puja of ambaa. She has been referred to as Raja Rajeshvari in our family as far as my memory goes. ........... But after I read Soundaryalahari, especially the fourth shloka, I began to have doubts whether there is something more I am missing. Prof. V. Krishnamurthy New on my website, particularly for beginners in Hindu philosophy: Hinduism for the next generation: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/contentsbeach10.html Free will and Divine will - a dialogue: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/HNG/FWDW.html -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h Web: http://www.ambaa.org/ ======================================================= devi prasIda paripAlaya no.aribhiiter nityaM yathAsuravadhAdadhunaiva sadyaH | pApAni sarvajagatAM prashamaM nayAshu utpAtapAkajanitA.nshcha mahopasargAn.h || Be informed, visit: http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/ ======================================================= Sponsor Children InternationalWould you give Hope to a Child in need? ·Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope·Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More / Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 It could be Sri Bhuvaneswari. Just to confirm- is there a etching of moon in the kreetam - which then matches with the Dhyana sloka (more with the word....."indu kreetaam")? Thanks & regards, K.S.Ramachandran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 namasthe The nada brahman is the creator of worlds and sound creation " OM " precedes the creation of objects and the Maha Rishies who have given us the Beeja mantras perceived the sound first in their secret depths of their hearts and when meditated upon, the vibrations creates a sound body or take the form of the deity. The origin of all our divine pictures, drawings, sculptures, murti could be tarced to this and is not an imaginary work or an art form. This Form is depicted in the Dhyana shloka of the deity and it is easier for the Human Mind to dwell on to a form which is Real than perceiving a Formless. In the Dhyana Shloka of LS the Swarupa or form of lalitha Maha Tripura Sundari is revealed. These translations are approximate only. In the first Shloka ; Reveals Her as having a Reddish ( Sinduram ) complexion, one who has three eyes , wearing the crown embedded with precious stones over which the crescent moon is worn as an ornament, having a smiling face, holding in one hand a lotus flower and in another hand a pot full of honey made of precious stones etc who is known as PARA. In the Second Shloka ; ( this revelation is by Lord Datatreya ) She who is reddish in complexion having very merciful eyes , holding Pasham, Angusham, Pushpa bhanam ( arrows made of flowers ) with a bow and surrounded by shakthies such as Anima etc. The third shloka She who is seated on a lotus with a pleasing face having the eyes like the petals of a lotus flower, with a golden complexion, bearing an yellow silk garment holding a gold lotus flower in her hand , with a charming look, wearing all types of ornaments, and she who is as SRI VIDYA MANTRA with a peaceful appearance etc The fourth Shloka ( This Shloka is from Tripura Sundari Ashtakam of Adi Shankara ) She who has applied a paste of saffron, sporting on her forehead a Tilak or a Dot made of kasthuri and bears a Red garland over her neck, with eyes mimicking a smile, holding bows, arrows, pasham, angusham, shining like hibiscus flower etc Comments ; Most of the description of the form of Ambaa – Lalitha cant be sculpted as revealed aforesaid, due to inherent limitation of such a workmanship – more so in a murti which is a miniature kept for puja in our houses. Despite this limitation when a murti has at least prominently some of the features of any one dhyana shlokam it can be considered as Laitha Maha Tripura Sundari. Generally the first Dhyana Shlokam is popular with artists who draw a picture of ambaa and I have seen this in many places. The second dhyana shlokam is depicted in murties made of a metal ( Pancha loka ) or a stone – in this case Pasham, Angusham, Pushpa bhanam ( arrows made of flowers ) with a bow is prominent and can be deemed to be Lalitha. Therefore any murti without Pushpa Bhanam and a bow made of sugarcane suggests that it can’t be considered as Lalitha or Raja rajeshwari ( Both are synonymous ).( This is a separate topic ) Mostly it should be Bhuvaneshwari and the Dhyana Shlokam of Bhuvaneshwari would be discussed in the next mail ambaa willing. Corrections are most Welcome Regards ganapathy "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote: Namaste all Since in this group there are several knowledgeable devotees and upAsakas of ambaa, I am asking this question which is personally important for me. I have a silver murti (2.5 in. in height) in my daily puja of ambaa. She has been referred to as Raja Rajeshvari in our family as far as my memory goes. My father used to refer to Her that way. But after I read Soundaryalahari, especially the fourth shloka, I began to have doubts whether there is something more I am missing. The murti in my puja has abhaya hasta (right hand) and varada hasta (left hand) and ankusha in the upper right hand and pAsha in the upper left hand. .... (except for the sugarcane and lotus interchanged for the varada and abhaya hastas.) This murti has been in our family for probably 200 years or so. Now tell me. Is She Raja Rajeshvari or Lalitha or Bhuvaneshvari? Though it is easy to take all are the same, I would like to know whether this particular type of combination of features in the murti categorise Her in any way. Prof. V. Krishnamurthy New on my website, particularly for beginners in Hindu philosophy: Hinduism for the next generation: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/contentsbeach10.html Free will and Divine will - a dialogue: http://www.geocities.com/profvk/HNG/FWDW.html -- pradiipajvaalaabhirdivasakaraniiraajanavidhiH sudhaasuuteshcandropalajalalavairarghyaracanaa . svakiiyairambhobhiH salilanidhisauhityakaraNaM tvadiiyaabhirvaagbhistava janani vaacaaM stutiriyam.h Web: http://www.ambaa.org/ ======================================================= devi prasIda paripAlaya no.aribhiiter nityaM yathAsuravadhAdadhunaiva sadyaH | pApAni sarvajagatAM prashamaM nayAshu utpAtapAkajanitA.nshcha mahopasargAn.h || Be informed, visit: http://www.kanchi-sathya.org/ ======================================================= Sponsor Children InternationalWould you give Hope to a Child in need? ·Click Here to meet a Girl And Give Her Hope·Click Here to meet a Boy And Change His Life Learn More / Ganapathy --- Vijaya " Jai Bhavani " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 the form of the idol maybe a factor, but however the prana prathishta and the upachara puja paddathi being followed will be the determining factor, in a similar situation we had a prasnam cast to find out. regards vishwanathan --- "K.S.Ramachandran (Chandru)" <kodsubram wrote: > > It could be Sri Bhuvaneswari. Just to confirm- is > there a etching of moon in the kreetam - which then > matches with the Dhyana sloka (more with the > word....."indu kreetaam")? > > Thanks & regards, > K.S.Ramachandran > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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