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Mr. Krishna wrote an instantaneous reply to my brief posting on Karmic cycle

as a "thought"on Karmic cycle. Mr.Krishna,

You have replied in 10 minutes. I salute your blind faith on all

Avathaarams as I also worship them and have blind faith on them. I also

respect your belief that they are excluded from the Karmic Cycle. Your ref

erences are extradinary and respectful. But Sriman Narayana has been talked

about in other literatures also. This being a forum to discuss and gain kno

wledge from various sources, I treat your comment as one input. There is no

way one would want to confine the source of knowledge to one book or one pu

raanaa or a selective few. Then we would not have discussed bible herein th

is group and the concept of holy Father a few days back. There are many the

ories to argue on Karma concept. But defining the scope to a selected numbe

r of literatures is questionable. It is not logic and neither the pundits

beleive in such arguments. If there is a truth in some literature on some

form why not we accept it. The bottom line is Truth is a Truth.

It doesnot matter whether it is a bible or

periya puraanam or Naalaayiram. I donot know if you can understand Tamil. If

you read some of the concluding lines of paththus the azhwaars swear that

those ten paasurams are the essence of all vedas and so on. I beleive that.

God did not appear for sanskrit people alone .God made his holy books avail

able for non sanskrit people also. So Naalaayiram is no less to vedam. If

you know the naalaayiram, they are arranged in some order which is unique that

even the scriptures you mentioned did not follow that order. It is

Brahman's nature and Pranava and then the Vedams and Vedaangams. There is a

section called Amalanaathipuraan. This entire set of paasurams are equated to

Pranavam, and the first letters of the first three paasurams start with "a"

"vu" and "ma". Naalaayirams are also unique in one another way. This is the

only literature offered to Sriman Narayan in front of him. ie The first song

of the mudhalaazhwaar known as Poygai Aazhwaar starting "VaiyamE thagaliyaa"

was sung in front of HIM and Praati at Thirukkoviloor when the three azhwaars

took refuge in small shelter. Sriman Naraayana appeared there with Praati and

the first song was offered to him directly and I am asking you if any of the

other puraanams are offered directly in his presence. The only exception is

Geetha and Udhdhava Geetha which are offered by Himself.

 

It is understood that I have read the basic literatures and some

puraanams more than your suggested minimum requirement of 10 hrs. Besides

I have discussed with many saints and Siththar followers on many issues. We

have a proverb in tamil which says "listening is better than reading". I ha

ve heard from people who really did penance and these people are not avail

able for any ordinary persons. It is hard even to spot some of them. It is a she

ar luck I met some of them at strange circumstances. None of them suggest me

that only a few puraanams are authentic and that others are semi legitimate.

Some of them gave me clear knowledge many fundamental doubts of mine. I donot

know how they knew I have these doubts. But they are more than ordinary persons.

 

But my analysis is coming out from many sources which you have not heard

of. So I humbly suggest that you must try to read some of the other

puraanams also wherein Sriman Naarayanmoorthy has a role to play. I donot

think that he played those roles for nothing. I truly believe that whatever

HE has done, has something to convey. Whether a penance on Kanaka Durga as

Parasu Ramar or a worship on Lord shiva as Rama at Rameshvaram. There are

few references to Lord Krishna's end (hit by the arrow) as a Karmic

reaction to Vaali vatham in Rama Avathaaram. Do you think that Lord

Krishna's end is accidental and has nothing to convey ? By any chance have

you read the Udhdhava Geetha, the last message of Sri Krishna ? The supreme

personal, Lord Vasudeva only in his form is not bound by Karma. But many of

the analysis by learned scholars (who are sanyaasis, read and preached

volumes and volumes of puraanams and so they obviously have done more than

10 hours of book work) point out that there is a karmic cycle created by

some of the actions of Avathaarams also.

 

Do you know why Paarvathi did severe penance on "Vaamanaa" (she could

have done on Sriman Naarayanamoorthy himself) and sought his blessings and

got her name as "Kaamaakshi" and do you know who asked her do such penenace

seeking "Vaamanaa"'s blessings. Vaamanaa is a very importanat Avathaaram from

whom many of the Sri vaishanava beliefs and protocols are derived. Do you know

what are they? Do you know the relevance of Hanuman as siriya thiruvadi and

why he is considered incarnation of Lord Shiva by some ? Do you know why

Sriman Naaraayana Moorthy sought the footing of Lord Shiva in a contest with

Brahmaa ? Do you know why Sri Hari Hara puthran known as Aiyyappan was born

to Hari and Haran. Do you know who helped Lord Muruga to conquer Sooran and

how ? Do you know how Sriman Naarayanamoorthy stopped the "Oozhi kaala nada

nam" of Lord shiva ( the world was starting to get destroyed and It cannot

happen without Kalki Avathaaram since the time was not ripe then for it. So

Sriman Naarayanamoorthy tactfully stopped Lord Shiva from dancing oozhikaalam).

Do you know how ? Do you also know how Sriman Naaryana got Lord Shiva out of

the stomach of "Gajaashura" and what HE advised paarvathi in creation of "Lord

Vinaayakar" ? Do you know why "Saraswathi" did penance for his blessings at

Thirumalai and how the clan of Hiranyakashyup and other "Demons" began their

existance ? Do you know why HIS presnce is sought in almost all puraanams ?

Do you know that all these roles of HIM have something different

and unique to learn. There are many more such roles HE has played in several

puraanams, to offer us several details.

 

It is always good to have a blind faith. But it is also dangerous to

close the eyes and say that the world is dark. Some of us are inquisitive

and there is nothing wrong in that. On the other hand it is always good to

analyze and derive some useful conclusions from anything. As told in my

"introduction message" to this group I strongly believe that many of the

essentials are hidden with regard to the entire physical universe its

creation preservation and destruction in Naalaayiram the Draavida vedam,

and anyone with the God given analytical mind can see through them.

 

I believe we vaishnavites cannot afford to live in isolation and we

have to find strong reasoning for the roles Sri Vishnu takes up in other

puraanaas too. There is a major drawback for the entire Hinduism 'cos some

persons take extreme positions based on a set of puraanams and are many

times unable to answer the omnipresence of Lord in many other corollaries.

These people sometimes gives an unclear message and provides a confused

image to Hinduism collectively and mainly Srivaishnavism in particular.

Srivaishnavism is not a cult to have some rigid position on Sri Vishnu. The

scope expands "for ever" and it depends on one's mental frame work as to

how much one can take up and infer from this. I would continue to pursue my

analysis in these lines, no matter what you think of.

 

At the outset please donot take my arguments personally. Like I said

that your comments are one input into my process of "seeking", one must also

take my argument here as one another input. I must have come out strongly on

some aspects. That means I am more than convinced on those. But my quest for

more knowledge continues.

 

I pray his Thiruvadis every day and meditate atleast 2 hours a day.

I also worship him as the supreme being. It doesnot stop me in any way to

analyse his Avathaarams and seek some good and useful information . I donot

feel that I am compromising his superior nature in anyway. At the same time

I donot have any rigid convictions like a fundamentalist and I am open to

learn and gain more truth on HIM from any one and from any literature.

 

Sam Rengi