Fwd: Swayamacharyas and Un-ayyangars

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Tatachar

prapatti

 

Krish said:

>>>>The concept of souls existing for ever and being reborn appeals to me and

one could propose a Conservation of souls theory. Hence, the more extinct,

some of the animal species become, they all appeare to be reborn as humans!

US once had many wild buffaloes, in the millions. In Tamilnadu, many rivers

were fertile with crocodies a few centuries ago!<<<<

 

The fact you talk of SOUL makes me think that you are not as irreligious as

you like to sound! Forgive me, after all Who am I to explain to you your own

belief?

Charvakas philosophy was irreligious, perhaps so also was B.Russell. I don't

know much about these individuals. Buddha thought he was running away from

religion as he saw it but he was definitely not irreligious. He is not really

an atheist.

His self discovery is not too different from Advaita Philosophy.

 

Loss of wild buffalloes and crcodiles are products of human interventions.

In one case mindless slaughter for fun and in other case deforestation. The

victims here perhaps have to be reborn as humans. Because only a human can do

real harm to a human in this day and age. Nevertheless, some of the cunning

ones among those animals returned as AIDS virus and the sorts perhaps!

>>>>One of the books states that all of us are eternal bliss inside a womb,

even gravity free. with no pressures, fed and relieved of the waste and

floating in a fluid. The birth process is stressful, crushed and pushed thru

a tunnel, one gropes for the ray of light outside, only to find the absence

of bliss, experienced before. The theory is that man's dwelling into religion

and God is due to this search.<<<

 

Compare this to the Srivaishnava's concept: An infant, as soon as delivered,

comes in contact with a sheath of air called SHATAVAYU, which destroys all

the wisdom and knowledge the infant had in the womb(which in essence is the

awareness of the eternal bliss that is upon us). We have at least two

instances in which an infant refused to leave the womb because it will loose

its wisdom due to the effect of Shatavayu. In the case of Angiras and

Shradda, their son refused to be delivered indicating that it did not want to

be bothered by the ill effects of Shatavayu. Poor Shradda, how long can she

bare the labor pains? Then Brahma intervened and spoke to the infant saying

that the Shatavayu is also a Leela of the God. There is no reason to get mad

at it. However he promised that in this special case , He would see to it

that the Shatavayu would not wipe out the memory! So convinced the infant

left the womb. The boy thus delivered came to be known as SHATAMARSHANAR and

it is to his lineage belong Natha Muni, Yamuna Muni (Alavandar), Periya

Thirumalai Nambi,

and ofcourse Sreekrishna who is writing this!

 

SHATAK(g)OPAR also has a similar origin.

 

I personally am not completely impressed by my great, great......great (n=48)

grand father Shatamarshanar. Because, I think, Shatavayu has a purpose and

that is to make us less wise and give us an opportunity to ponder and

attempt to regain that lost wisdom (to quote Eninstein: Subtle is the Lord

but malicious He is not: Nature hides Her secrets out of essential loftiness

and not by ruse).

 

We have heard of a Rishi in Ramayana who wanted to see Rama parivar and thus

asked Indra, who had come to take him to Heaven to wait.

 

How boring a life it would be to live in a world made of people of perfect

wisdom! After all the beauty and fun of life is in imperfections. We all like

a child because of its imperfect steps and words. We may be impressed by a

child who is prodigeous in a particular field, but an all in all prodigy

would be a bore.

 

That's why Krishna is my favorite Avatara: A good blend of everything there

is to life.

>>>I am taking you away from your topic of interest!<<<<<

 

See, you did not. Actually you walked me deep into it!

 

Ganesha drinking milk, yes I heard more of it thanks to our sensational news

media. I also agree, it is in the nature of scoth to vanish faster than

milk or ghee! News India Times had numeorous pictures taken in different

temples where devotees were serving milk to Ganesha. Things like this I read

but does not elicit much interest. That is why I never waited in line to see

Sai Baba either, although he was having a convention in Bangalore Lal baug,

only a few yards from our house. I have read his books, once you get around

the devotees hype, he is quite good. Especially his commentary on Gita. I

don't need this sort of evidences.

 

To me the PROBABILITY or lack of it by which the life forms formed and the

world I see it self is a miracle. Ofcourse the greatest miracle is that

described by Yudhistira in Yaksha Prasna. We hear about death (some suggest

this and fear as the origin of all religions) all the time. Yet we carry on

with our lives as though it will never happen to us. How we do this is the

greatest miracle of all.

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That was the most entertaining piece. My salutations to you. May be

we should know each other better. I am at Lockheed Martin, and

live in Cherry Hill ( 609-667-6886 ).

I feel Conservation of Souls is an interesting theory, but then what.

The only thing about Hindus I think is that one can jsutify any of his

views and bring out a reference. I tell my athestic friends ( who are

as fanatic about it as some theists are ) that God manifests himself

by his absence.

That reminds me of Haldane(JBS) writing about the Dsavatara and

Darwin's theory on the origin of species. Having been a stident of Sanskrit,

I am more exposed to the older religious works, than Alwars. In a

way they lived at a time when light ( to overcome night ) was not

abundant. They had time to ponder adn in a way they had to turn to

the philosphical questions. Nowadays, our time is easily spent

at work or watching TV.

Vegetarianism is a virtue in places of abundance, especially in the

tropic belt. Suppose we were in the Tundras, why should our

development be different from Eskimos ( relsihing raw liver from a

polar bear ). What drives us? I think the US has understood man's

desires, Kama, Artha and Boga. These are the driving forces. The

only concern should be how all of can get a shot at it>

I had written a story in which Lord Rama ( in the US ) tells his devotee

that he likes his residence here, "Amerika the land of amaras". Iam

wtry to write a sequel where the Lord Venkatewara prefers chocolates

to Laddus.

I think the greatest thing about us that our Gods are personal, left

to our own imagination to mold Him to our liking.