Guest guest Posted October 25, 1995 Report Share Posted October 25, 1995 On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Sundar said: > > [..snip..] >3. There was controversy in Sri Ramanuja's time, which still persists, >as to the nature of the "moola moorti" at Venkatam. > There is no merit to the counter claims as the deity of thiru vEngadam is described as maayOn (Vishnu) by the Jain poet iLangO adigaL in Chilappathikaaram, at least 300 years before Sri Ramanuja. Further 10 aazhvaars, (thoNdar adippodi and Mathurakavi not included) sang in praise of ThiruvEngadavan. These aazhvaars are again at least 150 - 250 years prior to Sri Ramanuja. I am not aware of any Saivite naayanmaars praising vEngadam as a vElan site. Badri, are there any such songs by any naayanmaars? >For a people that say we should not look at "nadi moolam" or "rshi moolam", >I think an exercise is Sri Venkatesha moolam is a little fruitless.. I'd >rather stick with my wonderful memories of the peace of the seven hills, >having saathumurai darshanam on Fridays, and a saying that one sees just as ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >you enter the main temple area : > SaaRRumuRai sEvai is an everyday thing. The only free sEvai where you can stand within 10 feet of the Lord for about ten minues without any "jerugandi" shouted at you. Only for men though :-(. -- Dileepan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1995 Report Share Posted October 25, 1995 >>>For a people that say we should not look at "nadi moolam" or "rshi moolam", >>>I think an exercise is Sri Venkatesha moolam is a little fruitless.. I'd >>>rather stick with my wonderful memories of the peace of the seven hills, >>>having saathumurai darshanam on Fridays, and a saying that one sees just as >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>you enter the main temple area : >>> >> SaaRRumuRai sEvai is an everyday thing. The only free sEvai >> where you can stand within 10 feet of the Lord for >> about ten minues without any "jerugandi" shouted at you. >> Only for men though :-(. >>-- Dileepan I agree with Dileepan. Saathumurai sEvai is an everyday thing. I enjoyed having darshan of Lord Venkateswara for ten minutes on two consecutive days. I cannot forget those moments in my life. Ramagopal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1995 Report Share Posted October 25, 1995 Interesting thread, this =) "Sampath Rengi says : " If one should find an origin for "supra paatham" then one would like to take a look at raamaayan and vishwamitra's calling Raama as "Kausalyaa suprajaa ramaa ....". Venkatesa avathaaram is not of Kali yugam. I think this kind of analysis is inviting a little difficulty that can only be resolved by an appeal to "mukkaalamum uNarnda gnyaanigaL" etc .. ( that thamizh phrase means wise ones who know the past, present, and the future " Let me point out one difficulty / contradiction in this. I think we accept that the Rama avatara preceded the Krishna avatara. However, Vishwamitra putatively says, after kausalyaa suprajaa raama poorvaa sandhyaa pravartate uttishTa narashaardhoola kartavyam daivamaanyaham ( arise, o Tiger among men, your duty awaits you =) - shaardhoola is not a synonym for tiger one usually sees, except when to create an interesting metrical rhythm - eg. there is a chandas called shaardhoolavikreeditam - the tiger at play - however I digress =) ) stanza 2 : uttishTo uttishTa **govinda** uttishTa garudadhwaja Hello =) I thought raama was not called govinda, Krishna was. Of course, I could be entirely wrong in this, in which case I'll sink down and pull the rue over my head but I think , this is a contradiction. " Ah but you see, Vishwamitra knew that raama was going to be incarnated as Krishna"... umm, no thanks =) I would much rather have a historical figure composing the suprabaatham and using Vishwamitra as a literary device and mouthpiece =) "There are citations of Lord Balaji in "Saneeswara Puraanam" that Saraswathi did penance at Thirumalai seeking his blessings, prior to Ramaa Avathaaram. The Adivaraahar at thirumalai, the presiding deity for Balaji, 1. Puranic evidence is, I daresay, notoriously suspect =) Puranas are definitely later compositions compared to even the Mahabharata, and are composed to redound to the glory of the purana's diety. And then again, they may also be syncretized on to place traditions, to make a sthalam more "powerful " etc. 2. It is notoriously difficult to actually date the puranas.. 3. There was controversy in Sri Ramanuja's time, which still persists, as to the nature of the "moola moorti" at Venkatam. For a people that say we should not look at "nadi moolam" or "rshi moolam", I think an exercise is Sri Venkatesha moolam is a little fruitless.. I'd rather stick with my wonderful memories of the peace of the seven hills, having saathumurai darshanam on Fridays, and a saying that one sees just as you enter the main temple area : " venkatesha samo devo na bhooto na bhavishyate".. - Sundar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1995 Report Share Posted October 25, 1995 >>> SaaRRumuRai sEvai is an everyday thing. The only free sEvai >>> where you can stand within 10 feet of the Lord for >>> about ten minues without any "jerugandi" shouted at you. >>> Only for men though :-(. > > >>>-- Dileepan > >I agree with Dileepan. Saathumurai sEvai is an everyday thing. I enjoyed >having darshan of Lord Venkateswara for ten minutes on two consecutive days. >I cannot forget those moments in my life. > >Ramagopal > Could some veteran please post about the best "way" to visit thiru vEngadam today? Best day of the week, Best time, where to stay etc. Going with the TTDC/ITDC tourist bus for the "jargandi" dharshanam is not quite satisfying. I was told the walk up the hill is a lot more satisfying, even if you miss the "jargandi" dharshanam. Srinivasan K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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