Guest guest Posted October 25, 1995 Report Share Posted October 25, 1995 > Hello =) I thought raama was not called govinda, Krishna was. Of course, > I could be entirely wrong in this, in which case I'll sink down and pull > the rue over my head but I think , this is a contradiction. > > " Ah but you see, Vishwamitra knew that raama was going to be incarnated as > Krishna"... umm, no thanks =) GOvindaa - one of the relavant meaning is "the one who knows Jeevans very well". The popularly known avataarams are ten. The agamas decalre that the incarnations to be as many as frequent sparks from a fire. SOme scholl of gradings and classification of such incarnations are as follows. I) Saakshaath or direct and primary incarnations when the divine manifested throughout the duration of particular incarnations. II) Gauna or secondary incarnations when the manifestations of the divine is temporary becuase of God's entrance for a brief period of time into another form or (sakthi avesa) for any other reason. At the start of a kalpa before brahmaa is born, Achuyathaa is the only one present and all others are present in him. Before rudraas and others were created from brahmaa, PAdmanaaba, Ananthan, and Govindan, hayagreevan, etc evolved in the process of Achuthan's incarnations. These precedes matsya avathaaram itself. It is unwise to attach the name "govinda" to krishna alone without knowing the meaning of Govinda. In Tamil "koCow" vinthan is one associated with cows is also a popular deriavtion. It (such tamil translation) has nothing to do with the govindaa referred in raamaayanaa or the string, Ahcyuthaya, ananthaaya, govindaaya .... . > For a people that say we should not look at "nadi moolam" or "rshi moolam", > I think an exercise is Sri Venkatesha moolam is a little fruitless.. I'd > rather stick with my wonderful memories of the peace of the seven hills, > having saathumurai darshanam on Fridays, and a saying that one sees just as > you enter the main temple area : > > " venkatesha samo devo na bhooto na bhavishyate".. > > - Sundar >-- End of excerpt from V1S I wake up every day and see Lord venkatesaa first. I had always preferred only supra paatha sErvai at thirumalai. Prior to the supra paatham a priest with veena plays and sings Annamaachaaya song . This is a temple protocol. It doesnot mean that Annamaachaarya's songs precedes suprapaatham in chronology. Individual memories of a shektram differ from person to person and according to their mental framework. It is my sincere feeling that It maynot be referred, to constitute any valid point in an argument of this nature. Sampath Rengi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1995 Report Share Posted October 25, 1995 Sampath Rengarajan writes: * In Tamil * "koCow" vinthan is one associated with cows is also a popular deriavtion. It * (such tamil translation) has nothing to do with the govindaa [...] While Govinda may have many other meanings, the one associated with cows is not from Tamil. This is a very old Prakrit and Sanskrit derivation. In fact, Gaudiya Vaishnavas (such as Hare Krishnas) believe Govinda the cowherd to be an eternal name of the Lord since their name for paramapada is Goloka, where Krishna is present as in Brindaavan. Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1995 Report Share Posted October 25, 1995 You are correct. In Rig Veda, cows are created "Gau-von-ha jagni-ray thus-mat" i will check up in my dictionary the verse is "tha-smaa-dashwa ajaa-yantha yay kay cho-bhayaa-dhathaha Gau-von-ha jagni-ray thus-mat thus-mat-jja-thaa a-jaa-vayaha" Krish The tamil word is Pa-su, fo cow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1995 Report Share Posted October 25, 1995 >Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:13:45 -0700 >mani (Mani Varadarajan) >prapatti, "Sampath Rengarajan" <srengara >Re: Sri VenkatEsaa suprapaatham > >Sampath Rengarajan writes: >* In Tamil >* "koCow" vinthan is one associated with cows is also a popular deriavtion. It >* (such tamil translation) has nothing to do with the govindaa [...] > >While Govinda may have many other meanings, the one associated >with cows is not from Tamil. This is a very old Prakrit and >Sanskrit derivation. In fact, Gaudiya Vaishnavas (such as >Hare Krishnas) believe Govinda the cowherd to be an eternal name >of the Lord since their name for paramapada is Goloka, where >Krishna is present as in Brindaavan. > >Mani > "kO" in Tamil is King and not Cow. "go" in Sanskrit is "cow". "kO il" is the house of the "kO". (il = house in Tamil. illu in Telugu I think.) God is the ruler, king etc., of the universe. So "kO" refers to God also. There are many places in the pasurams where "kOkOn" etc. are used to refer to the Almighty, God etc. In fact, even "kO dhai" is "kO" (God in Tamil) + "dhai" (from Tamil "thaa" give or Sanskrit "dhattha" give) Thus Andal "kOdhai" is "the one given by the God" and not "given by Cow". Just like "kO il" is not "gO il" (which will be a cow shelter). Unfortunately, the "majority" will say "Go dhai" and derive it from "Sacred Cow" in Sanskrit. Srinivasan K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 1995 Report Share Posted October 26, 1995 On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:59:09 -0500 K. Srinivasan said: > [ .. snip .. ] >In fact, even "kO dhai" is "kO" (God in Tamil) + "dhai" (from Tamil "thaa" give >or Sanskrit "dhattha" give) > >Thus Andal "kOdhai" is "the one given by the God" and not "given by Cow". >Just like "kO il" is not "gO il" (which will be a cow shelter). > >Unfortunately, the "majority" will say "Go dhai" and derive it from "Sacred >Cow" >in Sanskrit. The Sanskrit thaniyan for Thiruppaavai by Sriman Naadhamuni says "gOdhaa," not "kOdhaa." Both "gOdhaa" and "kOdhaa" will be written the same way in Tamil, but differently in Sanskrit. This makes me assume that the Sanskrit version, i.e. "gOdhaa" is correct. Further, I am not sure whether "gOdhaa" is "given by cow". -- Dileepan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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