RE: DAYA + KSHAMA

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Sri Sudarshan said:

>>>Sriman Tatachari vehemently protested a few days ago in his posting

against exclusion of "Kshama" in the list of most suitable synonyms for

"daya" in the sense in which Swami Desikan employs it in his Daya Satakam. I

liked the way Sriman Tatachari put it :"it takes 57 ounces of daya,27 ounces

of karuna,11 ounces of krupa and anukampa each to make one ounce of

kshama"!Well said, indeed!

The eloquent and forceful defence of kshama by Sriman Tatachari made me give

the matter a lot of thought during the day. I suppose it was at the back of

the mind in the night too.<<<<

 

My comment on Kshama was just childish intution as it was made with little

or zero comprehension of DayaShatakam. I am surprised that it APPEARS to

have been so forceful!

 

 

Sri Sudarshan also said:

>>>>For this morning as I was flipping through the

 

Daya Satakam again Swami Desikan himself, so to say, seemed to have the

answer. I refer to verse No.72 of the daya satakam :

 

 

vrishagiripater-hridayA viswAvatAra sahayinee

kshapitanikhilAvadyA devi! kshamAdinishEvitAs I

bhuvana janani pumsam bhogApavargavidhAyinee vitamasi padE

vyaktim nityAm bibharshi dayE! svayam II

 

In the above verse Swami Desikan seems to suggest that other attributes of

the Lord like "Kshama" verily are subordinate to Daya in Her ministrations to

the Lord in His various avataras.("kshamAdi-nishEvitAs").How does Sriman

Tatachari propose to handle Swami Desikan's preference ? Would kshama still

qualify in the face of the import of this shloka ?<<<<<

 

After Sri Sudarshan pointed out this verse,

I read the Kannada translaion of this shlokam by Sri N.S. Anantharangachar.

>From whatever little I grasped,

here Swamy Deshikar uses several adjectives for Daya as:

1. Vrishagiripater-hridyA= Delight of Srinivasar (or one who resides in the

heart of Vishnu)

2. ViswAvatAra sahayinee = Assists in the Avataras (or accompanies in the

avartaras)

3. kshapitanikhilAvadyA = destroys the faults or defects of everyone.

4. kshamAdinishEvitAs = served (asisted) or taken in by qualities such as

kshama (or assisted/accompanied/attended by Bhudevi).

5. bhuvana janani= cause of the worlds(or Mother of the worlds)

6. pumsam bhogApavargavidhAyinee = one who provides bhoga and moksha to

people.

 

[With qualities such as these You]

svayam = of your own accord

[you have]

bibharshi= put on

nityAm vyaktim = form of Nitya

vitamasi padE= in Paramapadam

 

I did not get the impression that Sri Deshikar treats Kshama as so much

subordinate as per this translation.

 

 

As per the adjective in the bove verse:

kshamAdinishEvitAs = served (asisted) or taken in by qualities such as

kshama. Thus in a way Kshama consumes Daya.

Daya is like the fuel and kshama the car that consumes the fuel to run. It

depends on how one looks as to which one is more important- car or the gas?

Of course for Petroleum industry gas is more important and for automobile

industry car is more important. For us, both are important. Thus, reading

Dayashatakam would be like reading the prospects of a petroleum company .

Naturally fuel is what would be hailed in that report. Thus, in the context

of Dayashatakam, Daya takes priority over Kshama. This I am not questioning

at all. My only comment is why leave out kshama and I don't think swamy

Deshikar is discarding it.

 

After all, Lord Krishna himself says in Chapter 10, verse 34, second half of

Gita thus: Keertih Shreervaakcha naareeNam Smritih medha dhritih KshamAh

OF FEMALE QUALITIES I AM FAME, FORTUNE, SPEECH, MEMORY, INTELLIGENCE,

CONSTANCY AND FORBEARANCE (OR FORGIVENESS/KSHAMA). This being the case, I

doubt whether Swamy Deshikar would put down the Kshama Vibhuti of the lord

Narayana.

 

 

There can be no kshama without daya-although there can be daya without

kshama. Kshama is too much to ask and thus it is better to appeal to Daya.

It is a typical request in the Kannada language:Swami daya vittu kshamisi

(sir forgive me out of Daya)!

Dayaye dharmada moola (Dharma is rooted in Daya).

 

Sincerely

 

K. Sreekrishna (Tatachar)

 

PS: As Sri Sadagopan pointed out DS is Daya, Anukampa and Kshama etal.,