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Sri Mani writes:

 

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*Sri Murali writes:

> Since my posts seem to be objectionable to Sri Mani, this is my

> last post on the subject.

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I am quite tired of people taking remarks completely

out of context. I have never once suggested that the

posts themselves are objectionable. In fact I thanked

Murali at the beginning of my post precisely to avoid

this kind of sentiment.

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I have the utmost respect for Mani's contributions and his pioneering efforts

in starting this forum and bringing together Bhagavatas from around the

world. For this Kainkaryam, he will surely be blessed by Lord Narayana.

Therefore, the following is not intended to be a personal criticism of Sri

Mani in any way. I would just like to go on record for one last time to

clarify my position.

 

I have been on this list for a considerable

amount of time and during this period, I have observed a disturbing trend.

Some members have been the target of vitriolic attack for presenting the views

of our Purvacharyas on this group. For example, a couple of years ago, Sriman

Dileepan was the first to endure these abuses. Just to refresh everybody's

memory, Sriman Sampath Rengarajan's efforts in presenting Swami Desikan's

works was labeled as a "verbatim reproduction". Worse was to follow when

Sri Ramaswamy came under fire for posting excerpts from his book "Hinduism

Rediscovered". Hark, even H.H. the 44th Jeeyar of of Ahobila Matham was not

spared of vitriol in this forum. In our

professional lives, we suck up to the egos of our bosses, managers, chairmen

(by following all the necessary protocols and taking utmost care to keep them

happy) and then consider ourselves erudite enough to pass judgements on the

actions of an Acharya of that caliber. Worse still, such attacks were

condoned and to my disgust even encouraged in the name of the

right to free speech. I wish to point out that silence in these instances is

tantamount to endorsing such actions and definitely constitutes Bhagavata

Apacharam.

 

I am not questioning Mani's intent of genuinely seeking clarification to issues

in our Sampradayam. Just thanking someone for their contributions does not

mean that a veiled remark or two can simply be glossed over. However, given

the above background and a consistent pattern of ad hominem attacks, such

comments cannot be taken at face value.

 

Sri Mani's remarks were never taken out of context. Any

person with some native intelligence (which I am sure all members in the

list are blessed with in abundance) would have construed the comments to mean:

 

(1) Swami Desikan's poetic skills are just a figment of imagination.

(2) Swami Desikan's posts are unwelcome on the list simply because the

owner does not have a liking for them.

(3) Swami Desikan's attribution of his accomplishments to the Mantra Siddhi

on account of the Garuda Mantram, Hayagriva Mantram ought to be discounted.

(4) It is prescribed for Sri Vaishnavas that "Recite Mantrams and get results".

As a result, the religion smacks of selfishness. Better yet, invoke the

words of Gitacharyan in defense of such statements.

 

When asked to substantiate and provide instances of such statements

being made in our Sampradayam by our Acharyas, it is easy to resort to the

anonymity of a computer terminal and cop out with the lame excuse that their

remarks are being taken out of context.

 

If anything, the remarks that were taken out of context, misrepresented and

misinterpreted were my comments on the Phala Shruti of Swami Desikan's

Garuda Dandakam.

 

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I never stated that a Sri Vaishnava acharya taught that mantras

should be uttered for results. I was merely restating

what people in the general Sri Vaishnava population

say. I have no idea whether an acharya has taught

this way or not.

 

I merely brought up some honest questions I had concerning

the fruits and purpose of mantra japam. I am astonished

at how easily people get unnecessarily offended at some

mild and sincere questioning.

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Aksharas used in Mantrams have special significance and deep connections to

Nada. For example, the term sooktam means "well said". The resulting

vibrations from proper prayogam of Anudhata, Udhata and Svarita

are conducive to elevated thoughts and deeds. A similar reasoning may be used

to explain the results of Mantra Siddhi.

 

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Sri Murali: I intended you no insult or offense. If you

do not wish to post any further, I am not going to beg you

to do so. But please do not take my words out of context

again as if it were a personal attack.

 

Pardon me if my words are strong, but I have lost patience.

 

Mani

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I don't care whether someone begs me to post on the group or not. I do not

seek a pat on the back nor do I fish for compliments. I do not need any

mollycoddling either. I undertake these postings as a Bhagavad Kainkaryam,

with a view to sharing my humble knowledge in an extended Satsangam

afforded by the medium of the internet in a respectful and edifying manner.

My motivation for posting the piece on Garuda is best described in Sri Sampath

Rengarajan's words "Adiyaruku Adiyar". It is in this spirit that I eulogize

Pakshi Rajan in my posts. I leave it to knowledgable scholars like Srimans

Rengarajan and Sadagopan to expound on the concept of Adiyaruku Adiyar.

 

I have come across many wonderful people on the Bhakti list from whose postings

I have learnt a lot about our Kula Dhanam. I am thankful to Sri Mani

for enabling me to participate in this Satsangam. I would like to thank Srimans

Sadagopan, Rengarajan, Dileepan, KalaLe, Bharadwaj, Sarangapani, Tatachar,

Sudarshan, Vijay Srinivasan, Sunder Kidambi and a number of other Bhagavatas

for their efforts and support.

 

Many Bhagavatas have requested me not to leave the forum and to continue

posting on the list. I am extremely thankful to them for their kind words.

Since I consider such requests as Bhagavad Niyamanam, I

shall mail them my humble inferences from our Kula Dhanam off line as

and when my time permits. However as far as the Bhakti list is concerned,

I feel it is best for me to be a patient listener rather than a contributor.

Quite frankly, I am incapable of reaching the dizzying heights that others

bring to bear on the discussions.

 

Namo Narayana,

 

Muralidhar Rangaswamy