From Sri Sampath Rengi

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I am posting this on behalf of Sri Sampath Rengi...

(His workstation is not up...)

-Viji

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> Dear bAgawathALs, on this panguni uththiram day

> I pray to thAyAr ranganAyakai and lord ranganAtha

> and wish to add some observations to the current discussions.

> I am not an expert to comment on this. However, based

> on some fundamental strength in tamil language, i thought

> i can present my observation.

> I was also little surprised when I read sri varadhan's

> preceeding noted. Then I said to myself that as per

> thiru vaLLuvar Gunam naadi kuRRamum naadi migai naadi

> mikkak kOLaL, I forgot this comment as i was immersed in

> the worship of kanchi varadhar and the garuda sEvai that

> he presented so very well. Without taking any side

> i simply want to give one observation Sri Varadhan's

> explanation and Sri PD's question. The last line of

> Sri PBA says

>

> "enRa palavakaippatta pramaaNankaLuL aazhwaar aruLicheyaLkaLaana

> divyap prabhandhankaLukkE adhisayiththa praamaaNyamuLLathenRu

> koLLupavarkaLE sri vaishnavarkaLenpaar. annavarkaLayE ikkaaraNam

> paRRiyE thennaachaaryarkaLenpadhu"

>

> ie among the several pramAnAs considering azwaar's aruLicheyal

> as the one with special pramAnAs are considered Sri Vaishnavar.

> The qulitative assessment comes in the mind when we undersatnd

> pramAna as prominent among. for example this can be meant that

> "those who consider azwaar aruLicheyaL to be the one with

> most inner meanings[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D prominent and

inner meanings may be considered as srivaishnavALs.

> Here the pramAnam is taken as the prominent content and inner meanings

> than on a comparison scale among the others. ie the pramAnA can be applied

> to itself for its prominent meanings and inner meanings than saying that

> this itself as whole is more prominent than others. when reading

> the everything togather it applies that azwaar aruLicheyal has the

> most prominent meanings and inner layers than the others sruthis,

> and smruthis and ithihaasaas. Swami desikan clearly vouches this

> when he said theLiyAtha maRai nialagaL theLiya

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> and also when he said on nammazwaar that all saints (includes veda

> vyasa and vishishtaas) and their messages all puttogether are no

> match to nammazwaar's aruLich cheyaL. Hence as per swami desikan

> what PBA had mentioned about the richness of aruLichcheyaL is a

> valid statement. However the norm thenAchAryAL if referred to only

> a particular sect of Srivaishnavas at the time Sri PBA was saying

> this is questionable. I guess all thise who consider drAvida vedam

> to be their most prominent nool or literature may be considred

> as thenachAryALs themselves. In that case Swami dEsikan whose

> magnum opus srimad rahasya trya saaram that we vadaklais follow

> all the time is itslef totally derived from 4000 and azwaar aruLi

> cheyaLs on the three rahasya granthhaas. Sri Ramanuja paved way

> for our sidhdantham and even he himself would put azwaar aruLich

> cheyal and 4000 first in our temple vazhi muRai than vedam.

> There is also enough proof that though emperumaanra Sri RamAnujar

> initiated our sidhdhantham, he himslef derived the basis for the

> same from 4000 and azwaar aruLich cheyaL. Recently some one out of

> enormous love for Sri Ramanuja wrote in the forum that what ever

> beautiful the azwars works may be for us emperumaanar sri ramanujar

> is thge most important. This is very incorrect even as per Sri Ramanujar

> himself. What ever vedam we have tamil vedam is the most prominent

> for all of us born in kaliyugam in sri sampradayam. Azwaar and their

> aruLichcheyaL are the most prominent for all of those acharYALS

> like Sri ramanujar and Swami Desikan and for those who follow

> their teachings as well.

> At the outset my observation once again reitreated is that

> pramAnyam ULLthenRU koLLu parkaLE means those who consider

> that the azwaar arULicheyaL has the most prominent and inner

> layers of meanings. Here the word uLLathenRu should be

> taken for what it contains ie the prominet meanings and

> inner layers.

> Sri ranganAyikA samEtha sir ranganAtha perumAL padhukaE charaNam

> Sampath Rengarajan