Guest guest Posted June 19, 1997 Report Share Posted June 19, 1997 --------------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )--------------------- Thursday, 19 June 1997 5:43pm jramalin (Jai Ramalin) Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:42:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) Jaganath.Bharadwaj My visit to Divya Desams Cc: srengara Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii jramalin Hi, Can you please post this article by Sampath Rengarajan in Bakhti group? Thanks. Jai Dear bAgawathALs, I am just back from a trip to India. My trip was sudden and less planned for, as I had to come back in time for starting a new project. There were two captivating notes earlier in this forum from respected bAgawathALs (Srimans KalAlE and Jagan about their discussion and stay with achAryAL). Continuing in the same tradition I will try to present some useful notes about my trip for those who are looking forward to hear from me after my trip. I had some meaningful discussion with our achAryAL about the needs of ahObila muth in India. I also had lengthy discussions both in shAsthram and on the needs of other institutions with the swamis like Ponudrikapuram Srimad aNdavan, Sri thAthtAtchAr of thiruppathi periyasramam, Sri Sudarsanam Iyengar Puththur Krishnaswamy, Srirangam Ramanuja ratham organizer Sri KrishnaswamigaL, Sri Anantha NarasimhAchAr and Sri VN GopalaDesikan and many Battars of various temples I visited. Most of my discussions were questions from me to clear my doubts and their answers on the followings. 1. Some pAsurams (on the inner meanings that I conceived) 2. Some important aspects of some kshEthrams 3. Vaibavams of our Azhwaars 4. Some important history in our gurupArampariyam especially about our three past Jeers from their poorvAsramam family members and muth followers. I also spent a lot of time seeking information on the two ANdavan muths (periyasramam and poundrikapuram) and their heirarchy. These discussions triggered me with more interest in our sampradAyam. They blessed me to do more kaimkaryams and also encouraged me to complete my intended one pAsuram per kshEthram project with perumAl's aruL. My Visit to divya dEsams: I began my visits to divya dEsams by dashing to Srirangam straight from Madras Airport (after a brief stop at my in-laws place at Trichy) and worshipping Lord Arangan by chanting amalan aathi piraan and Sri RanganAtha prapaththi slogam from Sri pAthugA sahasram. By coincidence, Kauveri water was brought to me for my consumption when I arrived. The thirumuga maNdalam of Arangan was glorious, quite brilliant and my experience was unique this time as I had the darshan after realising the complete inner meanings of amalan aathi pirAn. I was presented with the prasAdams (selvarappam) and the "vasthram" from periya perumAl. Then I visited udayavar sannithi and to my pleasant surprise that day was also the udayavar thirunakshaththiram day. I had the special darshan of udayavar's thirumEni ITself (for being the ubayakkArAL of periya perumal) seated as the moolavar of that sannithi. Lord Namperumal Ranganathar (ie. ursavar of Ranganathar) visits this sannithi this day to be with udayavar and when HE returns to the abode it is said that they do prOkshNam on the Lord HIMslef as HE visited the sannithi where the thirumENi of udayavar is kept. I didn't see this event as this account is narrated to me by of one of the Battars. On paNguni uththiram day udayavar's ursavar visits Arangan's moolavar sannithi in return). Next I visited the brindAvan of Thiru Mazhisai AzhwAr (HIS "jeeva" samAthi) at thiruk kudanthai and prayed for all of us who had recently discussed about HIS Vaibavam at length in this forum. I then proceeded to visit Sri Komalavalli samEtha Sri ArAvamuthan of Thiruk kudanthai, and HIS twin Sri ChakrapANi perumAL. I also visited Oppiliappan koil several times and sought the blessings from Lord Oppiliappan (because of whom I was born on thai sravaNam) for the success of the intended kaimkaryam for BoomAdevi thAyar on behalf of Sri Sadagopan. He had requested me to do so when I left. The darshan of thirumuga maNdalam of than oPPArillppan was also quite unique this time after realising the inner meanings "vAmanan adiyiNai maruvuvarE". I visited the first temple of srisampradAyam "thiruk kaNNa mangai". There was so much for me to learn from there this time. I will attempt to write the thalapurANam later when I complete the current tasks. I then visited Thiruch ChErai and had special blessings from the thAyAr SAranAyaki through "archagar vAkku" ! I visited thiru NaRaiyoor and had the darshan of all the 108 Divya Desams there itself by worshipping the 108 Divya MangaLa Vigrahams that our Lord Nambi HIMself had offered to an ailing bakththAL who could not go to all the kshEthrams. (See my thaala purANam for thiru NaRaiyoor). I had the aNyOnya darsaNam of periya thiruvadi, Kal Garudan Sri Pakshi RAjan and prayed for all those who joined me last year to donate for the kaimkaryams of the ursavams in NAchchiyAr kOil. I also prayed for those who discussed about HIS Vaibavam in this forum recently. The thirumuga maNdala darsanam of this Lord was also unique in realising certain inner meanings and chanting from the "madal" of thiru mangai. My BaranyAsam or Prapatti: I had my baranyAsm (prapatti) at the holy feet of 45th Jeer at DasAvathAra Sannithi in Srirangam. Though the place of undertaking prapatti does not matter philosophically speaking, I had always wanted to do my CharaNagathi in Srirangam. To do so, I had to wait for my AchAryAL's visit to this particular place during his busy schedule on his way to Thiruppathi for the inauguration of ahObila muth complex there. As per the plan Jeer arrived on 24th evening and stayed until 25th afternoon providing me a window of opportunity to have my BaranyAsam. On that day, Reporters (Media persons) from HINDU, Express, and Tamil Journals Kumudam and Dinamani etc. were there for an hour interviewing Jeer about the complex inauguration by the President of India. As per shAstram a Jivan has to wait several years in a birth to realise the need for undertaking prapatti and actually undertaking it as well by God's grace. However, for me the waiting time for confirmation of Jeer's itinerary and hence my intention of underetaking BaraNyAsam *seemed* to have taken 1 week only. I felt I was in SrivaikuNdam itself when I got into the hall of DasAvathAram sannithi after bathing in thiruk Kauveri. There were 150 (one hundred fifty) Srivaishnvas packed in the sannithi loudly chanting thirup pallAndu and sAththu muRai. Subsequently, I had the unique opportunity of having my SamAsrayEnam followed by BaranyAsam. Perhaps it was Arangan's blessings that Srimad ANdavan of Poundrika Puram had also paid a visit then and worshipped Sri MAlOlan. This was a very special moment as I had the blessings from both the swamis at the same time after my prapatti. The personal discussions I had with Jeer cleared many of my annYAnams. As he was rendering his upadEsam he looked at me eye to eye all the time and that experience was exhilarating. It was indeed then I realised many meanings of prapatti and that bakthi mArgam is the only way (upAyam) to attain mOksham. However since it is so difficult for tainted souls like many of us to follow this mArgam strictly, we undertake to surrender at the feet of Lord through our achAryAL. We request the Lord HIMself to be the upAyam by replacing bakthi mArgam and offer us the ultimate status for the soul. This is done by realising that even our soul belongs to HIM and that the souls have no control over anything at anytime. The souls are only waiting with mahAviswAsam from then on for HIS deliverance at the end of this birth. The most important realisation for us at this juncture is that even our soul belongs to HIM and that from now on we are not to undertake anymore intellectual play especially for obtaining mOksham. There were disussions in this forum earlier on, "are we to ask for mOksham ?" and that such discussions brought many views. The Vadakalai SampradAyam and their observations derived from Srimad Bagwath Geetha were explained to me by Jeer prior to going deeper into prapatti. Such explanations were answering some of these questions. Another important aspect of undertaking prapatti is such that MOksham has to be sought ONLY ONCE and not anymore after the assurances delivered in this moment (while undertaking prapatti) by the Lord through achAryAL. We have to even leave the feeling that we did prapatti and that we are assured of moKsham. ie. We also have to leave "this feeling" at the feet of the Lord. This may seem trivial but only a mind with "pakkuvam" (a rough translation for "pakkuvam" here is "spiritual maturity") can right away understand and realise this concept at this moment. And this is the very reason why many elders belonging to the early part of the century (in vadakalai sampradAyam) waited in their life for undertaking prapatti. Some Misconceptions in the Current Society: On contrary to what was discussed above, there seems to be some thoughts in our vadakalai community that tends one to shy away and delay their undertaking of BaranyAsam. The main reason quoted is the difficulty in observing AhAra niyamanam in their lowkeeka routines. It is misconceived that this difficulty can be overcome by undertaking BaraNyAsam at an older age. It is said that this misconception arises due to karmic influence and the anAynam one has in their mind. However there are only two strict observations that are mandatory after BaraNyAsam. They are avoiding aNya dEvatha aRadana and bAgawatha apachAram. Thus, not undertaking baraNyAsam in the early age due to the difficulties in strictly observing ahAra niyamanam may not be right. BaranyAsam can also be done for sisu in the womb, animals, birds, fishes, plants, tress and stones (mountains). There is no limit for this. The only prerequisite I can think of is to have the "nYanam" or knowledge to do prapatti. This nyAnam itself is due to the grace of Lord and one has to realise that. It is often said that the requirement of anthimasruthi is waived once baraNyAsam is done and it is no more mandatory as per Srimad bagwath geetha'a charma slOkam. In baraNyAsam there is a slOkam by which we request the Lord to come to our side during the anthima nEram and take us through the archirArtha mArgam whether we are able and can think of HIM or not. It is debatable whether the anthima nyAnam is required or not. However, as per Swami DEsikan, anthima nyAnam will prevail only for those who are living their life observing the required anushtAnam. As per poorvAchchAryAL, if one commits bAgawatha apachAram and doesnot repent, then for such souls anthima nyAnam will never prevail. As per Sri SAranAtha perumaL,those who simply put their feet on the sAru or sands of thirch chErai, are forgiven for their sins and are blessed with the anthima nyAnam irrespective of their caste and deeds. What transpired between me and achAryAL during this moment of prapatti is personal and confidential and hence I cannot go much deeper into that. My Visit to Thirumalai: I visited thiruk KOviloor and chanted the first pAsuram of 4000 "vaiyamE thagaLiyA" in thiru UlagaLanthaan sannithi. I visited Thiruch ChAnoor PadmAsanith ThAyAr and Sri GOvindarajan. Then my wife and I climbed the seven hills by bare foot, chanting the slOkam of swami dEsikan, from amirtha Ranjani "kaNNan adiyinai emakkuk kaattidum veRppu,...vEngada veRpana viLangum vEda veRpE!" (veRpu - means malai or mountain in tamil). I worshipped "kulasEkarap padi" and had nEtra darshan of ThiruvEngada mudaiyAn of thirumalai. Prior to leaving for US, I once again had the darshan of Lord Arangan and Para VAsudEvan in Srirangam. This time I was allowed to stay in the sannithi for a longer time as I did arachana through archagar and as well by my mAnaseeka arAdanai for Moolavar SriRanganathar. While visiting these temples I chanted the corresponding pAsurams of the Lord. My Grand Father used to tell us that the best sEvai of divya dampathis is the "OOnchal sEvai" in any divya dEsam. Luckily in 4 of the divya dEsams I had the opportunity to see the "oonchal sEvai". Overall, I had good darshan of divya dampathis. One of the elder achAryAL commented to me that it is due to the realisation of the true meanings of some of the corresponding pAsurams of the Lord that one will be able to have an unique experience while having the darshan of thirmuga maNdalam. adiyEn Sampath Rengarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 1997 Report Share Posted June 20, 1997 Dear Sri Sampath Rengarajan, I cant tell you how happy I am for you and family for the unique experience you have had in India and particularly prapatti in srirangam. NO wonder that you did prove that you hail from such a wonderful lineage of our acharyas. My heart felt blessings for you (and family). I am no elder or a knowledgeable person to bless you. I dont know why I felt like this. I wish I knew so much tamil as you do so that I could experience the alwar's divya suktis while having sevai of appropriate archa murthys. I pray to God that such wonderful sevas and meetings with acharyas occur to all of us and others in this universe. I would like to call you one of these days. Please email me your telephone number. I had been to India on business for a couple of weeks. I had some luck in meeting couple of my gurus. I could not meet jeeyars this time. I will write about couple of my experiences and instructions I obtained by my gurus in the next mail. Regards Krishna At , you wrote: > >--------------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )--------------------- >Thursday, 19 June 1997 5:43pm >jramalin (Jai Ramalin) >Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:42:24 -0400 >X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) >Jaganath.Bharadwaj >My visit to Divya Desams >Cc: srengara >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >jramalin > > >Hi, Can you please post this article by Sampath Rengarajan in > Bakhti group? >Thanks. >Jai > > > >Dear bAgawathALs, > > I am just back from a trip to India. My trip was >sudden and less planned for, as I had to come back in time for starting >a new project. There were two captivating notes earlier in this forum >from respected bAgawathALs (Srimans KalAlE and Jagan about their >discussion and stay with achAryAL). Continuing in the same tradition I >will try to present some useful notes about my trip for those who are >looking forward to hear from me after my trip. I had some meaningful >discussion with our achAryAL about the needs of ahObila muth in India. >I also had lengthy discussions both in shAsthram and on the needs of >other institutions with the swamis like Ponudrikapuram Srimad aNdavan, >Sri thAthtAtchAr of thiruppathi periyasramam, Sri Sudarsanam Iyengar >Puththur Krishnaswamy, Srirangam Ramanuja ratham organizer Sri >KrishnaswamigaL, Sri Anantha NarasimhAchAr and Sri VN GopalaDesikan and >many Battars of various temples I visited. Most of my discussions were >questions from me to clear my doubts and their answers on the >followings. >1. Some pAsurams (on the inner meanings that I conceived) >2. Some important aspects of some kshEthrams >3. Vaibavams of our Azhwaars >4. Some important history in our gurupArampariyam especially >about our three past Jeers from their poorvAsramam family members and >muth followers. > >I also spent a lot of time seeking information on the >two ANdavan muths (periyasramam and poundrikapuram) and their heirarchy. >These discussions triggered me with more interest in our sampradAyam. >They blessed me to do more kaimkaryams and also encouraged me to >complete my intended one pAsuram per kshEthram project with perumAl's >aruL. > >My Visit to divya dEsams: > > I began my visits to divya dEsams by dashing to >Srirangam straight from Madras Airport (after a brief stop >at my in-laws place at Trichy) and worshipping Lord Arangan by chanting >amalan aathi piraan and Sri RanganAtha prapaththi slogam from Sri >pAthugA sahasram. By coincidence, Kauveri water was brought to me for >my consumption when I arrived. The thirumuga maNdalam of Arangan was >glorious, quite brilliant and my experience was unique this time >as I had the darshan after realising the complete inner meanings >of amalan aathi pirAn. I was presented with the prasAdams (selvarappam) >and the "vasthram" from periya perumAl. Then I visited udayavar sannithi >and to my pleasant surprise that day was also the udayavar >thirunakshaththiram day. > > I had the special darshan of udayavar's thirumEni >ITself (for being the ubayakkArAL of periya perumal) seated as >the moolavar of that sannithi. Lord Namperumal Ranganathar >(ie. ursavar of Ranganathar) visits this sannithi >this day to be with udayavar and when HE returns to the abode >it is said that they do prOkshNam on the Lord HIMslef as HE visited the >sannithi where the thirumENi of udayavar is kept. I didn't see >this event as this account is narrated to me by of one of the Battars. >On paNguni uththiram day udayavar's ursavar visits Arangan's moolavar >sannithi in return). > > Next I visited the brindAvan of Thiru Mazhisai AzhwAr (HIS >"jeeva" samAthi) at thiruk kudanthai and prayed for all of us who had >recently discussed about HIS Vaibavam at length in this forum. I then >proceeded to visit Sri Komalavalli samEtha Sri ArAvamuthan of Thiruk >kudanthai, and HIS twin Sri ChakrapANi perumAL. I also visited >Oppiliappan koil several times and sought the blessings from Lord Oppiliappan >(because of whom I was born on thai sravaNam) for the success of the >intended kaimkaryam for BoomAdevi thAyar on behalf of Sri Sadagopan. >He had requested me to do so when I left. The darshan of thirumuga >maNdalam of than oPPArillppan was also quite unique this time >after realising the inner meanings "vAmanan adiyiNai maruvuvarE". I >visited the first temple of srisampradAyam "thiruk kaNNa mangai". There >was so much for me to learn from there this time. I will attempt to write >the thalapurANam later when I complete the current tasks. I then visited >Thiruch ChErai and had special blessings from the thAyAr SAranAyaki through >"archagar vAkku" ! I visited thiru NaRaiyoor and had the darshan of >all the 108 Divya Desams there itself by worshipping the 108 Divya >MangaLa Vigrahams that our Lord Nambi HIMself had offered to an ailing >bakththAL who could not go to all the kshEthrams. (See my thaala purANam >for thiru NaRaiyoor). I had the aNyOnya darsaNam of periya thiruvadi, >Kal Garudan Sri Pakshi RAjan and prayed for all those who joined me last >year to donate for the kaimkaryams of the ursavams in NAchchiyAr kOil. >I also prayed for those who discussed about HIS Vaibavam in this >forum recently. The thirumuga maNdala darsanam of this Lord was also >unique in realising certain inner meanings and chanting from the >"madal" of thiru mangai. > > >My BaranyAsam or Prapatti: > > I had my baranyAsm (prapatti) at the holy feet of 45th Jeer at >DasAvathAra Sannithi in Srirangam. Though the place of undertaking >prapatti does not matter philosophically speaking, I had always wanted >to do my CharaNagathi in Srirangam. To do so, I had to wait for my >AchAryAL's visit to this particular place during his busy schedule on >his way to Thiruppathi for the inauguration of ahObila muth complex >there. As per the plan Jeer arrived on 24th evening and stayed until >25th afternoon providing me a window of opportunity to have my >BaranyAsam. On that day, Reporters (Media persons) from HINDU, Express, >and Tamil Journals Kumudam and Dinamani etc. were there for an hour >interviewing Jeer about the complex inauguration by the President of >India. As per shAstram a Jivan has to wait several years in a birth to >realise the need for undertaking prapatti and actually undertaking it >as well by God's grace. However, for me the waiting time for >confirmation of Jeer's itinerary and hence my intention of underetaking >BaraNyAsam *seemed* to have taken 1 week only. > > I felt I was in SrivaikuNdam itself when I got into the hall >of DasAvathAram sannithi after bathing in thiruk Kauveri. >There were 150 (one hundred fifty) Srivaishnvas packed in the >sannithi loudly chanting thirup pallAndu and sAththu muRai. Subsequently, >I had the unique opportunity of having my SamAsrayEnam followed by BaranyAsam. >Perhaps it was Arangan's blessings that Srimad ANdavan of Poundrika Puram >had also paid a visit then and worshipped Sri MAlOlan. This was a very special >moment as I had the blessings from both the swamis at the same time after >my prapatti. The personal discussions I had with Jeer cleared many of >my annYAnams. As he was rendering his upadEsam he looked at me eye to eye >all the time and that experience was exhilarating. It was indeed then >I realised many meanings of prapatti and >that bakthi mArgam is the only way (upAyam) to attain mOksham. >However since it is so difficult for tainted souls like many of us to follow >this mArgam strictly, we undertake to surrender at the feet of Lord >through our achAryAL. We request the Lord HIMself to be the upAyam by >replacing bakthi mArgam and offer us the ultimate status for the soul. >This is done by realising that even our soul belongs to HIM and that >the souls have no control over anything at anytime. The souls are only waiting >with mahAviswAsam from then on for HIS deliverance at the end of this birth. >The most important realisation for us at this juncture is that >even our soul belongs to HIM and that from now on we are not to >undertake anymore intellectual play especially for obtaining mOksham. >There were disussions in this forum earlier on, "are we to ask for mOksham ?" >and that such discussions brought many views. >The Vadakalai SampradAyam and their observations derived from >Srimad Bagwath Geetha were explained to me by Jeer prior to going deeper >into prapatti. Such explanations were answering some of these questions. > > Another important aspect of undertaking prapatti is such that >MOksham has to be sought ONLY ONCE and not anymore after the assurances >delivered in this moment (while undertaking prapatti) by the Lord >through achAryAL. We have to even leave the feeling that we did >prapatti and that we are assured of moKsham. ie. We also have to leave >"this feeling" at the feet of the Lord. This may seem trivial but only >a mind with "pakkuvam" (a rough translation for "pakkuvam" here is >"spiritual maturity") can right away understand and realise this >concept at this moment. And this is the very reason why many elders >belonging to the early part of the century (in vadakalai sampradAyam) >waited in their life for undertaking prapatti. > >Some Misconceptions in the Current Society: > > On contrary to what was discussed above, there seems to be some >thoughts in our vadakalai community that tends one to shy away >and delay their undertaking of BaranyAsam. The main reason quoted is the >difficulty in observing AhAra niyamanam in their lowkeeka routines. >It is misconceived that this difficulty can be overcome by >undertaking BaraNyAsam at an older age. It is said that this misconception >arises due to karmic influence and the anAynam one has in their mind. However >there are only two strict observations that are mandatory after BaraNyAsam. >They are avoiding aNya dEvatha aRadana and bAgawatha apachAram. Thus, not >undertaking baraNyAsam in the early age due to the difficulties in strictly >observing ahAra niyamanam may not be right. > > BaranyAsam can also be done for sisu in the womb, animals, >birds, fishes, plants, tress and stones (mountains). There is no limit >for this. The only prerequisite I can think of is to have the "nYanam" >or knowledge to do prapatti. This nyAnam itself is due to the grace of Lord >and one has to realise that. > > It is often said that the requirement of anthimasruthi is waived >once baraNyAsam is done and it is no more mandatory as per Srimad bagwath >geetha'a charma slOkam. In baraNyAsam there is a slOkam by which we >request the Lord to come to our side during the anthima nEram and >take us through the archirArtha mArgam whether we are able and can think of >HIM or not. It is debatable whether the anthima nyAnam is required or not. >However, as per Swami DEsikan, anthima nyAnam will prevail only for those >who are living their life observing the required anushtAnam. >As per poorvAchchAryAL, if one commits bAgawatha apachAram >and doesnot repent, then for such souls anthima nyAnam will never >prevail. As per Sri SAranAtha perumaL,those who simply put their feet >on the sAru or sands of thirch chErai, are forgiven for their sins and are >blessed with the anthima nyAnam irrespective of their caste and deeds. > > What transpired between me and achAryAL during this moment of >prapatti is personal and confidential and hence I cannot go much deeper >into that. > >My Visit to Thirumalai: > >I visited thiruk KOviloor and chanted the first pAsuram of 4000 "vaiyamE >thagaLiyA" in thiru UlagaLanthaan sannithi. I visited Thiruch ChAnoor >PadmAsanith ThAyAr and Sri GOvindarajan. Then my wife and I climbed the >seven hills by bare foot, chanting the slOkam of swami dEsikan, from >amirtha Ranjani "kaNNan adiyinai emakkuk kaattidum veRppu,...vEngada >veRpana viLangum vEda veRpE!" (veRpu - means malai or mountain in tamil). >I worshipped "kulasEkarap padi" and had nEtra darshan of ThiruvEngada >mudaiyAn of thirumalai. > >Prior to leaving for US, I once again had the darshan of Lord Arangan >and Para VAsudEvan in Srirangam. This time I was allowed to stay in >the sannithi for a longer time as I did arachana through archagar >and as well by my mAnaseeka arAdanai for Moolavar SriRanganathar. > >While visiting these temples I chanted the corresponding pAsurams >of the Lord. My Grand Father used to tell us that the best sEvai >of divya dampathis is the "OOnchal sEvai" in any divya dEsam. >Luckily in 4 of the divya dEsams I had the opportunity to see the >"oonchal sEvai". > >Overall, I had good darshan of divya dampathis. One of the elder >achAryAL commented to me that it is due to the realisation of the >true meanings of some of the corresponding pAsurams of the Lord that >one will be able to have an unique experience while having the darshan of >thirmuga maNdalam. > >adiyEn >Sampath Rengarajan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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