Part - 1 - 3-Alwars by Sri Bhuvarahacharya

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Dear Sri Anbil SwamigaL,

 

I totally agree with your views on this post. Without

going into details from pAsurams i find some interesting

observations ( as I perceive; may be this is sound to someone

else. if so please advise) in this post (as presented in this

post) itself that, what is said once is being changed or differed

later etc. I am presenting *some* of them for your views and

please advise.

 

May be that the line of argument is incomplete (as i perceive)

as posted and that it is possible that the post didn't have t

he entire verbatim rendered by him.

Can Sri Krishna's friend get the complete posting (if any) so that

we can avoid some speculative analysis based on what is posted

only. I am asking these questions in an attempt to learn and request

if some one can enlighten me on these and Sri AR's questions. My

sincere apologies if I have hurt anyone by raising these

questions. Our gurukulam from where we learned AzwAr aruLich

cheyAL gives us a different perspective and hence these questions

are raised in an attempt to catch up with the other available

resources on AzwArs. I apologize to the original poster Sri

BhuvarAchAryA as well for asking these questions out of my

annYAnams and seek his forgiveness. I have discussed these in fact

with Sri Sudarsanam iyengar and I do respect his vyAkyAnams. I also

want to make it clear that i donot mean to disrespect Sri BuvarAhachAr

or his followers in this group by asking my primitive questions that

are merely due to my own annYAnam.

 

adiyEn

Sampath Rengarajan

 

 

> THE LORD pondered over this and realised His

> mistake.

 

Sri Rama and Sri Krishna avathArams are suggested here as Lord's

act that HE HIMSELF felt as a mistake. If the Lord is suggested

in the same post for one whose "Virtues of THE LORD SRIMAN

NARAYANA" is the life of azwars. If HIS VIRTUES are the lives of

our holy AzwArs can the Lord (HE) make a mistake ?

 

Srimad Bagwad Geetha has much more to offer as to why avathArams

are taken in this material world. There is not one single reason

but many more. Even though these are divine incarnations, they

were born as humans and chose to live with humans of their yugam.

Not many fellow humans knew their identity then, that they were

shy and felt highly impossible to walk the path of the Lord only

on realizing that they are super humans. The analogy here

suggests that because Lord was some super human in these

avathArams that people didn't care or felt comfortable to follow

HIS example in life. The super natural forms of Lord were

revealed to selected few and majority of the fellow humans who

lived then didn't even know that "this is avatharam" until the end

of the avatharam, leave alone knwing that these avathArams were

super human. For a simple analysis, one can study the power

equation of various people on either side of the battle in dharma

yuddham. Almost 7 or 8 people have the "brahmAstram" in the

battle of kurukshEthra while only 4 of them knew as to how they

can either deploy it and as well take it back. Only ONE knew who

all knows this and only one knew what will happen next. It was

Lord Krishna. but only a few knew that HE was the lord.

> As He did not belong to their group,(as he was

> not a bird of the same feather) the people cared very

> little for His birth,preachings and practice.To catch

> a wild beast another animal (a deer or goat) is required.

 

 

> Understanding this principle or the natural law of this

> land,THE LORD decided to bestow His benevolent grace on

> some souls at the time of their birth.The result is the

> birth of the AZHWARS.

>

 

AzhwAr's avathAra vishayam was stated by suka munivar in srimad

bAgwatham much prior to their "time of birth and time of

appearance" as follows:

 

kalowkalu bavishyanthi nArAyaNa parAyaNa:

kvachithkvachin mahAbAgA drmidEshoocha poorisa:

thAmrabarnee nathi yathra krithamAlA payasvinee

kavEricha mahAbAgA pratheecha mahAnathee:

 

[1] Lord's nyAnam is always complete that HE need not understand

about the natural laws of this land that HE himself created,

supposedly only after Sri Rama and Sri Krishna avathAram. The

notion that 'the Lord understood and decide to bestow only now' is

contradictory to the very observations drawn from mudhal azwars

pAsuram in the later section of the same posting that says

 

">

> The First Azhwar declred in his centum that THE LORD has

> got Two Worlds (Sri Vaikuntha and this mortal world) for

> His property.The Second Azhwar said that His name was

> NARAYANA.The Third declared that He had as his consort

> SRI MAHALAKSHMI."

> All the three declared in one voice: "He alone is the

> Supreme Being and all others are subservient to Him.He

> alone can grant Salvation.Taking Refuge unto Him is the

> very best and the easiest means of reaching His Abode.

> The Final Goal of man is to reach His Eternal Abode and

> worship Him and serve Him."

>

 

"Can the Lord who has these worlds as HIS property, "understand

anything new" to bestow some special knowledge only now ?"

 

[2] I am observing that If the result is the birth of azwars from

the "act" of the lord in the previous sentence

 

ie., "THE LORD decided to bestow His benevolent grace on some

souls at the time of their birth."

 

Assuming that this is what happened for a split second, this same

statement negate the earlier and the later implications that

azwars are mere baddha jivatmas. ie., If they are chosen prior to

their birth are they ordinary baddha jivatmas ? It is stated in

the same article that

 

"they are THE CHOSEN FEW OF THE LORD meant for

uplifting the other distressed souls who are plunged in the

ocean of misery and ignorance."

 

but the sentence prior to that sates that

"They are some of the suffering souls

repeatedly getting born and dying in this world."

 

I find that these two statements contradict each other.

May be someone can advise if they are not.

 

 

>

> AZHWAR means,those men who are immersed in the ocean of

> the Virtues of THE LORD SRIMAN NARAYANA and consequently

> those virtues alone sustained them in this world,and not

 

 

The Tamil word AzwAr - means many. I can give atleast 2 or 3 more

meanings than given below. One of the principle meaning is that

Aznthu - anubaviththavar - i.e. when kausalya and yasodha and

others during the avathArams enjoyed the Lord as their son and

other realtions they perceived accordingly, AzwArs perceived the

Lord as the Supreme Lord and EXPERIENCED their relation with the

Lord through delivering these pAsurams.

 

Another meaning is that they are called as AzwArs because their

nyAnam or koL ALavu or pakkuvam or capacity to understand the Lord

is the deepest EVER and consequently their pAsurams have the

"Azntha poruL or karuththu". i.e. their pAsurams convey the

inner most thaththuvams in layers of meanings.

 

In Bagwad Geetha the Lord says none knows ME in full other than

MYOWNSELF. Combining this and the literal meanings for azwars

very well state that they are amsams of the lord and as per the

reference from Sri AR from Srimad rahasya trya saram, azwars are

the incarnations of the Lord Himself, "if they are to know" the

Lord in full.

 

 

> He and the next two Azhwars were not given birth

> to by women. (POYGAI= pond)

>

 

ANDAL and thirupANazwar are few others in this list.

 

if they are not born in the normal way and only appeared, what is

being referred earlier as the time of birth must be "time of

appearance". When the Lord chose to be born as Sri Krishna

through DEVAKI, and chose some of the azwars to be appearing, then

are they not special ? can a baddha jivatma appear suddenly in

the material world just like that ?

 

Can someone please quote as to how many baddha jivatmas simply

appeared in this material world so far than being born through a

normal process ? These questions are asked for one's self to

learn and not to challenge.

 

 

> So we should hold fast to His Feet and

> snap the chain of Bondage.

>

 

This is exactly charaNAgathi the "upAyam" or means being referred

as the final deed (refered here as "snap the bondage" as one's own

action) for humans for obataining salvation or mOksham.

I feel that the readers would understand more and I would have

felt more relieved if this post ended with the conclusion for

which the premises were drawn. i.e., knowledge on shAstram and as

to how an ordinary soul can live a sAstric life and understand the

purpose of life, all in one explained in AzwAr pAsurams which are

themselves the shastrams or vedams; such that a common folk and

understand and live upto.

 

bAgawatha kaimkarya roopam

adiyEn

Sampath Rengi