Guest guest Posted November 19, 1997 Report Share Posted November 19, 1997 The reference to "yAnAyth thannaith thAn pAdith thennA vennum en ammAn" maynot be simply reffered to *only* the life histories of azwars as sung by themselves. There are sevral reasons for not taking this line of meaning of which few important are that, the pramAnam of such pAsurams are not merely azwAr's life histories alone but their love, bakthi and saranAgathi to the lord. Some portions of their life history is presented as a premise for their devotion to the lord. Secondly, the word "pAdi" is usually referred to praise. Azwars didnot intend to praise the events in their life history in these pAdaLs or pAsurams. But they priased the life histories of the very Sri Rama and Sri Krishna whose life histories were presented earlier as a somewhat mistaken act and hence the reason for the lord to understand and enter azwar's bodies. How could the same lord praise after supposedly entering these azwars bodies the very same avathAram's life histories ? ie..If the lord must have thought that these avathArams were suprehuman and not that helpful in briging baddhas to the path to HIM how will he ever praise and refer and mention the same in the pAsurams of azwars that HE helped delivering by entering their baddah jivAtma bodies ? especially when it is argued that the purpose of these pasurams are to show the path to baddha jivas from baddha jivas mouth itself ? May be the argument is either incorrect or inadequately explained but the Lord entering their baddha jivatam bodies may still be correct. The third reason is that the 3 mudhal azwars life was somewhat contemporal (approximately same time around ? Experst please clarify) and said to have taken place in thrEthA yugam while the Lord's avathAram was still in progress. Such being the case when was the time the evaluation on the helplessness due to superhuman nature of these avathArams done ?. Can Such evaluation take place after a completion of such avathArams or simulataneously ? In Tamil, if one may say, "inga koncham kAla attavanai iddikkarathu". The fourth reason here is that the lines that were presented to support these lines by following these words in 6000 padi are to be taken into consideration. ie., there are 1 explanation and 2 comparisons provided for these lines. Explanation 1 from 6000 padi: "ivvAzwArkaL naavil irunthu inkavi pAdum parama kavikaLAga nangu vanthu" ie., came out well (nagu vanthu) as the sweet words that flow from the tounge of these azwars that are the parama kavi ie.. as the eternal pAdals "paravAsudEvan thAnE nanRAgap pAdi prakAsipiththathu aagaiyAlum" ie., the Lord paravAsudEvan Sang HIMSELF very well and glorified. ie., "the Lord paravAsudEvan Sang HIMSELF very well and glorified these pAsurams as the eternal pAdals". Comparison 1 from 6000 padi: "annam athAy yirunthu angu aru maRai nool uraiththa" and "annamAya anRu angu arumaRai payanthAn" enRu sollukiRapadiyE hamsa avathAramAy brahmAvukku vEdhaththai upadEsiththAp pOlEyum, ie jeer compares azwars to the incarnation of the Lord as "annam" and their deliverance (pasurams) to the vedam that such incarnation of the Lord taught to brahma. Comparison 2 from 6000 padi : "vyAsa bagavAnai AvEsiththu vEdangaLai vitharip piththAp pOlEyum" ie the word bagwan must be noted when Saint vyAsa was addressed by jeer. He compares azwars to saint vyAsa and their pasurams directly to vedams. Why vyAsa is considered as avathAram of the Lord ? muNinAp yaham vyAsa : 10.37 Srimad bagwath Geetha Among munis I am vyAsa: Lord Sri Krishna One who directs his mind in antharmuga drusti and always understand the meyp poruL or inner most truth (here mey means the truth and inner most) the word poruL in tamil also means por uL ie the meaning that it contains "in it". Among such pooraNa nyAni the pradhAn nyAni is vyAsa. He is known as veda vyAsa. He compiled the vedas and he devised the suthrAs for vedas. Such muni is referred as HIS own avathAram by Lord Krishna. Thus one may understand from jeer's words that it is very clearly implied by all these comparisons )ie., comaprison of azwars to annam and vyAsa while discussing their incarnation and their work to vedam) that the azwars were incarnations of the lord in one form or the other. It is upto us to derive our own conclusions based on our understanding from kalakshEbams from achaRyALs. The only person in the network who has done some kalakshEbams is Sri Anbil and i look forward to his comments. What struck me from pin pazhagiya jeer's vyAkyAnam that is considered authentic from thennAchArya sampradhAyam was that jeer didnot mince words in addressing their birth as avathAram. And he even goes further identifies the state of "appurushAYE" to the 4000 as similar to vedams. And he goes even further to state that these are parama kavi. ie., these 4000 pasurams are eternal which means they simply appear in each and every yugam as similar to vedams due to the "swayEchchai avathAram" of the Lord. Considering all these i seek to Lord to bless me in serving the azwars by thoroughly studying their pasurams. I donot intend to discuss anymore on these and want to spend my energy listening to kalakshEbams of scholars and achAryALs and read poorvacharyas vyAkyAnams mainly and write on pAsurams of azwars as advised by a learned scholar. I once again seek forgiveness from all if my posts due to my annyAnam has hurt anyone's sentiments. pin pazhagiya jeer thiruvadikaLE saraNam adiyEn Sampath Rengarajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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