JIvAtmA during Heart Surgery

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Srimate Sri Lakshmi Nrusimha Para Brahmane Namaha

 

Srimate Sri Lakshmi - Nrusimha Divya PAdukA Sevaka -

Srivan Shatagopa Sri NArAyana Yateendra MahAdesikAya Namaha

 

Srimate NigamAntha MahAdesikAya Namaha

Srimate Bhagavad RAmAnujAya Namaha

 

Sriyai Namaha ; SridharAya Namaha

 

 

Dear Bhakti Group Members ,

 

Namo NArAyanA . kindly accept adiyens pranAmams.

 

 

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Parthasarati Dileepan wrote:

> Thanks to the many posts and private correspondences on

> this topic, my own faith is on a firmer footing now than

> before.

>

 

Thanks a lot to Sri Dileepan SwAmi for initiating the topic regarding

Faith & also to others who shared their views. Personally , adiyens faith

in sAstrAs/AchAryA/NArAyanA has increased hundred folds after the

discussion & it is clearly reflected in the Nithya Bhagavad Thiru

ArAdhanam.

 

 

 

> Let me introduce another interesting question somewhat

> related to this topic. This question appeared in the last

> issue of Sri Nrisimha Priya. A rough translation of the

> question is as follows:

>

> "All Sidhdhaanthees agree that the Jeevaathma

> resides in a space inside our heart. In these modern

> times we hear of heart surgeries when the heart is

> even temporarily taken out of the body and later put

> back. The patient cured of the heart ailment goes on

> to live for many years. When the heart is operated

> upon in this fashion, where does the Jeeva reside?

> Does he reside in the heart or somewhere else in the

> body?"

>

 

This very same topic arose during the 'Sathas' organised to

discuss on Sri BhAsyA , an year ago { Abhinava Desikan Sri UttamUr SwAmIs

centennary celebration }.

 

Leading vidwAns of our sampradAyam was assembled there . Unfortunately

adiyen couldn't understand head or tail of their discussion since everyone

was conversing in fluent Sanskrit.

 

 

But , Sri Koththimangalam VaradAchArya SwAmI of Mysore was quoting

from Yoga sAstrAs to answer this question.In a brief conversation with the

AchAryA after the Sathas , he told that ( trusting on adiyens memory) "

There are specific places in the body to which the JIvAtmA travels. Its

not that it is fixed rigidly at the heart. Yoga sAstrAs discusses these

things. ". Adiyen also remember him telling that JIvAtmA stays at the top

of the head even during some of our daily activities like sleeping etc.

Adiyen has two questions here :

 

1. whether the jIvAtmA would move out of the heart everytime we sleep ?

 

2. Whether top of the head is the only other permanant residence for it ?

 

 

 

Adiyen knows only this much. If someone could contact him , he will

bless us with perfect answer . BTW adiyen also wants to know whether

someone from Sanskrit Academy , Melkote s to the bhakti list.

 

 

> The answer by the Sampaadhagar runs into couple of pages

> with several long quotations from Sri Bhashya. The

> following is a jist of it.

>

> "Your question is a valid one. It must be answered

> in a way consistent with the sasthraas. In my

> opinion the Jeeva moves to a different location. In

> our sidhdhaatham, Jeevas are not just Jyana

> swaroopi, but also jyaathaa, i.e. one who possesses

> knowledge. PrasnOpashad says" Esh Hi srOthaa,

> dhraathaa, rasayithaa, manthaa, bOdhdhaa, karthaa,

> vigyaan aathmaa purusha:." Thus, the jeeva knows

> of the impending surgery and removes himself from

> the heart. There may be an objection about the

> Jeevaa's ability to travel out of the heart. But there

> are references from Sri Bhashyam to indicate that

> the Jeeva travels outside the heart during "svaapa

> dhasai", "svapna dhasai", and "uthkraanthi

> dhasai". Therefore, we can definitely say that the

> Jeeva ventures out of the heart to another location in

> the body during the surgery."

>

> The above question and the answer may be extended to heart

> transplants, artificial heart implants, etc.

>

>

> -- adiyEn

 

1. Adiyen doesn't know much about the medical jargons addressed .If

someone could just tell what they exactly mean in a line or so , it will

be helpful for further discussions.

 

2. Then , someone can explain why the possibility of JIvAtmA staying in

the heart during these surgeries etc is rejected ( which should be

consistent with all the medical stuffs cited).

 

3. Once this is done , the answer to be found : "Where exactly the

JIvAtmA is ? " or "What are the possible locations to which the JIvAtmA

shifts ? ".

 

4. What happens to our dear Lord Sriman NArAyanA who is residing in the

same heart as "HArdan" ( "AntaryAmi roopam")? Does He travel alongwith

JIvAtmA ?

 

5. Is it actually that our dear "AntaryAmi roopam" NArAyanA makes

arrangement for JIvAtmAs travel or Is it JIvAtmAs own decision ?

 

 

A Note : AntaryAmi Roopam is one among the five forms NArAyanA

takes ( parA , VyUhA, VibhavA , AntaryAmi roopam , ArchA). In the

"AntaryAmi roopam" form ,NArAyanA has divine body , ornaments, Sankhu ,

Chakram etc. Needless to say , pirAtti is also there. He is the one

meditated upon by some of the YogIs resorting to Bhakti Yogam.MAnasIka

ArAdhanam is performed to Him only.

 

AntaryAmi is different from AntaryAmi roopam . But, very often ,

"AntaryAmi roopam" is referred to as "AntaryAmi" itself. This actually

creates confusion ( atleast adiyen was confused before. But the brilliant

writings of adiyens AchAryA ,the current H.H. Jeeyar of Ahobila Mutt

eradicated these confusions. In His "Srimad Rahasya Traya SAram" series ,

He has discussed these things very lucidly ).

 

AntaryAmi, the one who controls both Sentient & Insentient things from

within ,mainly refers to NArAyana Swaroopam ( Sathyam , Jn~Anam , Anantam

,Amalam, Anandam(Bliss) ).

 

NArAyanA has form, auspicious qualities , etc. One shouldn't again get

confused that Swaroopam as such is what Brahman ( NArAyanA ) is . Sum

total of everything ( Swaroopam + Form + Auspicious Qualities + ...) is

NArAyanA . If one has to tell what a Cow is , a unique feature of it is

outlined first . Then all other details like tail,mouth etc are told. But

, the Sum total is the Cow . Similarly , NArAyana Swaroopam refers to the

Unique feature of NArAyanA . But it is NOT a complete description of

NArAyanA.

 

 

One may be puzzled about the fact that eventhough both JIvAtmA &

NArAyanA as AntaryAmi Roopam resides at the heart , one is not able to see

them during the Heart Surgery , etc. Actually , our observation

(PratyakshA) is due to our eyes. Eye as a sense organ is something

material in nature. It has capacity to perceive something material in

nature & that too with lot of limitations. It certainly doesn't have the

access to see Spiritual entities. Moreover , JIvAtmAs material dimension

cannot be visualized . We only know that it is atomic (very small).There

is no question on NArAyanA the "mAyan".

 

The only way to see JIvAtmA is "Jn~Ana YogA". The only way to see the

AntaryAmi roopam is "Bhakti YogA" . To see Spiritual entities , only a

spiritual process will work.

 

 

Namo NArAyanA

 

Adiyen

 

Anantha PadmanAbha dAsan

 

 

Sarvam Sri KrishnArpanamastu