Guest guest Posted March 15, 1998 Report Share Posted March 15, 1998 Dear members, Lately we find many postings alluding to superiority of one Deity over the other (Durga and Lakshmi, Sri Krishna fighting against Parameswaran (instance in Thiruvaimozhi) etc.) This is but a multi-century old disgusting argument that had done nothing but lay bare the bosoms of the arguing parties and showed only how unfortunately mistaken they are about our one and only God. While the Truth that God is one and He pervades and manifests in/as all beings and non-beings is thundered time and time again by our srutis, it is very unfortunate that we cause apacharam by splitting the amsams of our only Lord into multiple deities and compare one with the other according to our own convenient understanding. The import of my above point is not that having multiple deities is a bane to a religion or that one should not just worship one God alone. The point is that though one worships and surrenders to a deity one should not compare his/her deity with others for establishing superiority or vice versa. If he/she does then it would mean he/she has missed the whole point. That sort of spirituality will only lead towards absurd politics. Nothing more can be availed of it in terms of spiritual gain. We mortals are basically extending our tendency in unnecessarily trying to prove the superiority of our language, nation etc., to even comparing the Supreme Paraman. When we are comparing our favourite deity with another (basically we should realise that deities are conceptual ideas of our one Lord) we are merely trying to only reassure ourselves that we are in the right clan. If we have the purest faith in our bosom why should we even think about other deities, leave alone compare. There is no room for paranoia. Even our Lord won't like this. Sadly we don't realise how unrighteously we are taking liberty in placing Gods on the pans of a common balance. Still I can't explain myself why the supremely pure Azhwars and Nayanmars were comparing Sivan and Vishnu. One knows the bitter tales of how South Indian fabric was ripped apart by religious quarells in the past. It's a matter of shame for us people who call themselves followers of the sanathana dharma which preaches the purest truth in all the world. I found this interesting thought on the web (I have shared this with one of the bhakti members earlier). This is from Saint thyagaraja's life. +++++ The word Rama (RA-MA) was to him a Numen that transcended all names. It would be more than absurd to attribute any sectarian leanings to Tyagaraja. He sings, "As what did they define You? How did they worship You? - as Siva, as Madhava, as Brahma born of Lotus or as Parabrahma, the Trans-Godhead? I prostrate myself before those who know the secret of MA as the life of Siva-mantra and RA as the life of Narayana-mantra" +++++ (I am interested in knowing which song is referred to here). When the parama bhakta thyagaraja himself has said like this nothing more need be said. I hope I haven't offended bhagavadhotamas even unknowingly by this mail. I wish to tell the members that this posting is not an outcome of any misinterpretation of the Acharya's comment on "Durga and Lakshmi". Thanks to Sri Krishna Kalale for his earlier response in this matter. If one realises the essence of "tat tvam asi" there is no question of which God, who is superior etc. adiyArkku adiyEn, chandrasekaran. + vishNu is sivam (ever auspicious and pure) sivan is vishNuthvam (all pervading) + sindhaiyil sivatthai irutthi ( fix on the purest consciousness in thought ) mummalam ozhitthu yANdum ( destroy all kinds of impurities ) kaNNil therivana theriyAk ( realise vishNuthvam everywhere in things you ) kAtRum vishNuvin iyalbAm ( can see and even in the air you can't see ) ena parathai eNNuga manamE! ( think of the paraman O mind! ) Esan oruvan paraman ( the Eswaran is one, Supreme, ) endhai avanai vaitthu ( our Divine Father, meditate on Him ) azhiyA nilaiyai adaivAi ( and attain immortal state ) +----------+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 1998 Report Share Posted March 15, 1998 We have only gone over this debate over and over again causing unnecesary acidity. Before anyone continues to post on this debate, I request that you ponder on the following siththar song. meipporuL kaNdu vilangum mei gnAnikku garbangal Ethukkadi ? for a person who has realised the sublime truth, there is no rebirth ! vEgam adakki viLangum mei gnAnikku yOgam thAn Ethukkadi ? Meditation is redundant for a person who has learned to control his senses and feelings ! AthAramAna adi mudi kaNdOrkku vAthAttam Ethukkadi ? kuthambAi vAthattam Ethukkadi ? A person who has realized the truth with all supporting proof also realizes that there is no need for argument. Alternately no amount of argument will convince a person, who thinks he hass all the proof he needs ! Regards, Raja Krishnasamy --\ - Raja Krishnasamy 6 Dundee Road, Arlington, MA 02174 Oracle Corporation (617) 646-6731 Senior Systems Engineering Specialist rxkrishn (888) 669 2880 (Pager) The statements and opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation. ____________________________ 15 Mar 98 10:06:32 vcs (Chandrasekaran. V) To:bhakti Subject:centuries old naive debate BestServHost:lists.best.com Sender:bhakti-errors Errors-To:bhakti-errors Dear members, Lately we find many postings alluding to superiority of one Deity over the other (Durga and Lakshmi, Sri Krishna fighting against Parameswaran (instance in Thiruvaimozhi) etc.) This is but a multi-century old disgusting argument that had done nothing but lay bare the bosoms of the arguing parties and showed only how unfortunately mistaken they are about our one and only God. While the Truth that God is one and He pervades and manifests in/as all beings and non-beings is thundered time and time again by our srutis, it is very unfortunate that we cause apacharam by splitting the amsams of our only Lord into multiple deities and compare one with the other according to our own convenient understanding. The import of my above point is not that having multiple deities is a bane to a religion or that one should not just worship one God alone. The point is that though one worships and surrenders to a deity one should not compare his/her deity with others for establishing superiority or vice versa. If he/she does then it would mean he/she has missed the whole point. That sort of spirituality will only lead towards absurd politics. Nothing more can be availed of it in terms of spiritual gain. We mortals are basically extending our tendency in unnecessarily trying to prove the superiority of our language, nation etc., to even comparing the Supreme Paraman. When we are comparing our favourite deity with another (basically we should realise that deities are conceptual ideas of our one Lord) we are merely trying to only reassure ourselves that we are in the right clan. If we have the purest faith in our bosom why should we even think about other deities, leave alone compare. There is no room for paranoia. Even our Lord won't like this. Sadly we don't realise how unrighteously we are taking liberty in placing Gods on the pans of a common balance. Still I can't explain myself why the supremely pure Azhwars and Nayanmars were comparing Sivan and Vishnu. One knows the bitter tales of how South Indian fabric was ripped apart by religious quarells in the past. It's a matter of shame for us people who call themselves followers of the sanathana dharma which preaches the purest truth in all the world. I found this interesting thought on the web (I have shared this with one of the bhakti members earlier). This is from Saint thyagaraja's life. +++++ The word Rama (RA-MA) was to him a Numen that transcended all names. It would be more than absurd to attribute any sectarian leanings to Tyagaraja. He sings, "As what did they define You? How did they worship You? - as Siva, as Madhava, as Brahma born of Lotus or as Parabrahma, the Trans-Godhead? I prostrate myself before those who know the secret of MA as the life of Siva-mantra and RA as the life of Narayana-mantra" +++++ (I am interested in knowing which song is referred to here). When the parama bhakta thyagaraja himself has said like this nothing more need be said. I hope I haven't offended bhagavadhotamas even unknowingly by this mail. I wish to tell the members that this posting is not an outcome of any misinterpretation of the Acharya's comment on "Durga and Lakshmi". Thanks to Sri Krishna Kalale for his earlier response in this matter. If one realises the essence of "tat tvam asi" there is no question of which God, who is superior etc. adiyArkku adiyEn, chandrasekaran. + vishNu is sivam (ever auspicious and pure) sivan is vishNuthvam (all pervading) + sindhaiyil sivatthai irutthi ( fix on the purest consciousness in thought ) mummalam ozhitthu yANdum ( destroy all kinds of impurities ) kaNNil therivana theriyAk ( realise vishNuthvam everywhere in things you ) kAtRum vishNuvin iyalbAm ( can see and even in the air you can't see ) ena parathai eNNuga manamE! ( think of the paraman O mind! ) Esan oruvan paraman ( the Eswaran is one, Supreme, ) endhai avanai vaitthu ( our Divine Father, meditate on Him ) azhiyA nilaiyai adaivAi ( and attain immortal state ) +----------+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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