Guest guest Posted June 25, 1998 Report Share Posted June 25, 1998 Sri : Srimate Sri Lakshmi Nrusimha Para Brahmane Namaha Srimate Sri Kanakavalli nAyikA sametha Sri- VeerarAghava Para Brahmane Namaha Srimate ShatagopAya Namaha Srimate Bhagavad RAmAnujAya Namaha Srimate NigamAntha MahAdesikAya Namaha Srimate Sri Lakshmi - Nrusimha Divya PAdukA Sevaka - Srivan Shatagopa Sri NArAyana Yateendra MahAdesikAya Namaha Dear bhaktAs of Sriman NArAyanA, Namo NArAyanA . kindly accept adiyen's pranAmams. --cont-- AzhagiyaSingar started the Upadesam on "SaranAgati" (ie. prapatti) for us & directly spoke to adiyen : "Unnaku edulAm therium. ErundAlum , maththavALukulAm theriyumo theriyAdho ..." ( "You know all these . But , others may or may not know .." ). Adiyen really became speechless after this statement of AzhagiyaSingar which exhibited H.H.Jeeyar's sowseelyam , sowlabhyam , compassion , ...& host of other kalyAna gunAs . Even to an akinchanan like adiyen, AzhagiyaSingar was speaking with such kind & encouraging words . Earlier , adiyen understood the great ocean of mercy of Srimad AzhagiyaSingar from H.H.Jeeyar's encouraging statement on samAsrayanam article ( If some disciple is atleast interested in some aspects of sampradAyam & tries to perform some kainkaryam to his capacity , H.H.Jeeyar spots that & encourages him/her to get them involved further in the sampradAyam ). But , the reality is that adiyen hardly knows about the details on prapatti (whatever is known is also due to blessings of AchAryAs) . Still , AzhagiyaSingar comes down to the level of even adiyen. Eventhough adiyen doesn't know much on prapatti , the statement (blessings) of AzhagiyaSingar can never go wrong , since MAlolan would certainly make it happen for sure . A pretty old Sri VaishnavA was also about to get prapatti performed. AzhagiyaSingar told to him " IppadiyA varadhu ? Thalaila mudiyellam niraiyA ingeyum angeyum errukke (referring to giridhA , little front hair etc). mudiyA kAppAtha porudhu ? chiina paiyan (referring to adiyen) , kalyAnam Agappora vayasu , yeppidi vandhirukkAn pArtheengaLA (referring to shikai) ? yenga errukku unga veedu ? " (" Is this the way to come ? Your head is filled with hair here & there (referring to giridhA & little front hair) . Is the "hair" that is going to save you ? Can't you see the way in which this small boy (referring to adiyen) , in the age of getting marriage has come ( referring to shikA ) ? Where is your residence ? " ) The old Sri VaishnavA answered that he lives at West MAmbalam itself. Then AzhagiyaSingar advised " Please listen to me. You can kindly go back for today . Have a shikA & come tommorrow . MAlolan & myself will be here only . You needn't worry . Hair is not going to save anyone. You live in West MAmbalam only . So , there shouldn't be much of a problem for you to come back tommorrow right ? But stay back for the upadesam " When AzhagiyaSingar was about to start the Upadesam , some kainkaryaparA came & consulted something.Then AzhagiyaSingar told a kainkaryaparA that the parAyanam of pAdukA sahasram performed by the ladies be done in a very low voice , since Upadesam is going to take place here . Meanwhile , the old Sri VaishnavA went back into the crowd (for reasons known to him only ; probably to get some dakshanA or cassette for recording etc. But he was a good devotee indeed ; participated in SAttrumurai , chanted vedAs ,prabandhams & was involved in organizing the goshti etc ). At this time , AzhagiyaSingar enquired about the whereabouts of the old Sri VaishnavA & asked us to inform him & make him attend the Upadesam . AzhagiyaSingar suddenly changed the decision & told the SriVaishnavA that H.H.Jeeyar would perform the prapatti for him today itself ( probably AzhagiyaSingar took his absence as a sign that he may not return the next day ) ; but cautioned that if the prapatti has to be fruitful , he should be very sincere (atleast follow strictly as per the Upadesam that is going to be delivered ). Thirty minutes went past just like a second. AzhagiyaSingar explained about Prapatti very wonderfully in H.H.Jeeyar's own inimitable style ( even a lay man can understand very easily . adiyen is the proof ) . Adiyen has recorded the invaluable upadesam. Unfortunately , it is at chennai itself. The upadesam gave the perfect mind set to adiyen for the most important event in adiyen's life ( includes all previous births etc ). It was adiyen's parama bhAgyam that some devotee had arranged for the thirumanjanam of all the perumALs . It is certainly a mahA bhAgyam to prostrate unto the lotus feet of MAlolan when all the ornaments are removed ( sevai of His (& other perumALs) svayam archA thirumeni happened to adiyen . This is something extrordinary ) . The parama bhAgyam of sevai of MAlolan in His archA thirumeni can't be had by all (only to those whom He chooses ). But , the height of bhAgyam in adiyen's case was the performance of prapatti when MAlolan was giving His sevai of His archA thirumeni . The screen was put so that others wouldn't see the performance of prapatti. Those who had already undergone prapatti ( like adiyen's father & such close relatives of others performing prapatti) were allowed in . AzhagiyaSingar cautioned them not to utter the mantrAs . Adiyen can never forget the way with which AzhagiyaSingar made us look at MAlolan . AzhagiyaSingar was in full ecstacy (adiyen still remembers the wonderful sweet smile in H.H.Jeeyar's face , completely reflecting H.H.Jeeyar's deep love towards MAlolan & His archA thirumeni ), when H.H.Jeeyar showed us the beautiful smile of MAlolan . Oh ! That was a real treat to our eyes ( the only use of our eyes) . Adiyen took some 4 or 5 seconds to really get the sevai ie. only after closer concentrated look adiyen was able to enjoy the most beautiful smile adiyen has ever seen . This sevai is impossible to obtain for anyone who has prostrated to MAlolan with His usual decorations . What a glorious smile with widely opened mouth ? AzhagiyaSingar in a very joyous mood with his sweet voice told us " yenna AdbudhamAna/AscharyamAna siRRippu pArthElA ? " ( "Can you all see that wonderful ( Adbudham / Ascharyam) smile ? " ). Everyone had their sevai to their heart content. Then AzhagiyaSingar showed the smile in pirAtti's face . Oh! that was even more beautiful .. Probably AzhagiyaSingar showed us the most wonderful smile in the faces of PerumAL & pirAtti to make us understand that when a jIvAtmA performs "prapatti" , the happiness obtained by the Divya Dampati ( due to the fact that their dear child would be reaching them soon for eternal association at Sri Vaikuntam ) would be million times more than even the hapiness of jIvAtmA which is performing the prapatti !! Then AzhagiyaSingar showed us the lotus foot of MAlolan ...Everyone was spellbound there . Then started the sankalpam , sAthvIka thyAgam ..., prapatti to pirAtti , prapatti to MAlolan ....... At each stage , AzhagiyaSingar told us about what we are actually doing . Thus , prapatti in Ukti NishtA ( repetition by the sishyA of the mantrAs recited by an AchAryA , during prapatti) got completed . Thus the marriage (prapatti) was performed by AzhagiyaSingar & adiyen's marriage day is thus VaikAsi sravanam . ------------------------ P.S. One of adiyen's well wisher & dear bhAgavthA of this bhakti/prapatti list kindly pointed out the possibility of misinterpreting an information in the first part of this series ( whether prapatti was performed once or twice ? ; the wordings sound as if it was performed twice , which is perfectly against sAstrAs ). Basically , adiyen's father requested Srimad AzhagiyaSingar twice (once when adiyen was at USA itself ; the second time being at chennai itself , when adiyen was present there ) for performing "Bhara NyAsam" to adiyen . The request was only made twice , but the performance of "prapatti" was only once ( the experiences of which is written above) . Infact one should request Srimad AzhagiyaSingar , even in the day/night before prapatti is going to be performed ( this should be one's bhAvA regarding prapatti ) . If one deeply understands the greatness of prapatti & the importance of AchAryA , from the depths of one's hearts , one can understand the "bhAvA" with which adiyen's father requested ( anyway all the Sri VaishnavAs sincerely approaching the AchAryA for prapatti have this bhAvA ) .It is always in the hands of the H.H.Jeeyar to reject the plea ( if the person seeking prapatti doesn't meet certain standards of conduct expected by H.H.Jeeyar ). It is only out of AzhagiyaSingar's mercy that prapatti is being performed . Unfortunately , if someone assumes this "prapatti" (that pleases Sriman NArAyanA to grant mokshA ie. eternal kainkaryam to Divya Dampati at Sri Vaikuntam) to be something very "cheap" ( like buying something from stores ) , then he is obviously unfit . "prapatti" is the final essence of all sAstrAs - the nectar churned out of the ocean of sAstrAs. Moreover , the granter of moksham is none other than Sriya: pathi , the unparalleled Lord of all Lords , but who is simultaneously the SaranAgata Vatsalan ! One should know about the greatness of NArAyanA, atleast to the extent that, even the demigods like BrahmA , SivA , IndrA etc are mere servitors to Him . If one doesn't have this knowledge also (ie. thinking that all "Gods" are same etc ie. devatAntara sambandhA ) , there is no point in performing prapatti for him ,since the most important requisite - ananyagatitvA (no other resort) is lost => he won't be given moksham by Sriman NArAyanA . Even if one is a great bhAgavathA , H.H.Jeeyar can reject his plea . So , one should have deep humility to accept one's incapabilities , say, worst among sinners ( Akinchanyam) . Just because the AchAryA performs prapatti for his disciple , if the disciple takes that to be very light , it is a great offense. No one can repay in whatsoever way to the ocean of mercy of his/her AchAryA ,for performing the prapatti ,which has ended for sure the long journey of millions of births in the world of samsArA filled with miseries. "prapatti" as the sure means for securing moksham is vouchsafed in the sAstrAs ( nyAsa vidyA in Upanishads ; Lakshmi tantrA , & Ahirbudhnya samshitA deals with the way of performance of prapatti ; numerous episodes in IthihAsAs & purAnAs , Upadesams of Sriman NArAyanA in His vibhavA form (avatArams) as VarAhA , RAmA & KrishnA giving the highly cherished charama slokams , etc ) But the beauty of Sri Vaishnavam is that Sriman NArAyanA in His archA avatAram also vouchsafed about the efficacy of prapatti . When Bhagavad RAmAnujA was at kAnchi , Lord Varadan spoke to Thiruk kachi NambigaL regarding the 6 questions of Bhagavad RAmAnujA . Varadan assured that Prapatti is a sure way of attaining Him & He would Himself give anthima smaranam to the prapannA ( ie. prapannA needn't put efforts for obtaining anthima smaranam unlike a bhakti yogi ). Similarly , Lord Lakshmi Nrusimhan while instructing Sri Adivan shatagopa yateendra MahAdesikan ( first jeeyar , Sri Ahobila Mutt ) told that the SaranAgati mArgA should be propagated to each & every village , & ordered H.H.Jeeyar to take Him (ofcourse pirAtti is inseparable from Nrusimhan ) along for sanchAram . --- to be continued -- Namo NArAyanA Adiyen Anantha PadmanAbha dAsan Sarvam Sri KrishnArpanamastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 1998 Report Share Posted June 26, 1998 Dear Mani, I agree with your views. It is not always necessary to prepend Sri while referring to Acharyas. Someone suggested that whenever the Lord is mentioned, the pronoun should start with an upper case and not the lower case (eg) He and not he ; His and not his. The Lord's Soulabhyam is such that even normally we say Avan, Ivan when referring to Bhagavaan. This does not mean any disrespect and an adament adherence to the Case sensitiveness would only impart an artificiality to the context. This is like the modern fad about asexual expressions so much harped on by modern dictionaries. The bootomline is that no disrespect is meant in either case. And, an indiscriminate use of expressions like "Adiyen" and "Dasan" without understanding their meaning and purport also tend to make them look artificial. The same holds good for the use of lower case i where upper case I would help in a natural flow and the Naichyanusantanam (whether intended or not) on many occasions simply does not show up in what is written. These are my personal opinions and I may be wrong. If Bhagavatas do not agree, I would request them to please excuse for my views. Yours sincerely, Anbil Ramaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 1998 Report Share Posted June 26, 1998 > I BEG MERCY FROM ALL OF YOU ... Please do not write in "ALL CAPITALS". It looks as if you are shouting and is very hard on the eyes. Krishna earlier wrote: > I would recommend prefix "Sri" to be used before their names. > In the heat of arguments sometimes we tend to use acharyas' names in a > style such as He wrote this.... etc. which is to be avoided ... This sounds really nice in principle, but in practice, even though we mean no disrespect, it is very awkward and in fact unusual to always prepend the acharyas' names with "Sri". Nor is it common practice in the works of our sampradaya. If you look at the works from the pUrvAcAryas on down, including works by great scholars of this time, they offer great respect, but also do not prepend "Sri" at all times before acharyas' names. It is not an "apachaaram" or disrespectful if we do not do so. Often we hear "dhEsikan saadhikkiRaar" or "bhattar aruLicceydhaar" or "aaLavandhaar angE ezhundharuLinaar". Sometimes with "Sri", sometimes without. We should not prevent others from writing freely and unawkwardly when no disrespect is intended or is apparent. My 2 comments as maintainer of the list. your servant Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 1998 Report Share Posted June 26, 1998 At 04:11 PM 6/26/98 -0700, Mani Varadarajan wrote: > >> I BEG MERCY FROM ALL OF YOU ... > >Please do not write in "ALL CAPITALS". It looks as if >you are shouting and is very hard on the eyes. > sorry, I did not realize when I was editing from my eudora; it did not look so awkward as it came out on the prapatti list. adiyen Krishna kalale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 1998 Report Share Posted June 29, 1998 Dearest BhAgawatAs, Sri Krishna Kalale wrote: > LET NO ONE STOP AT VARNASHRAMA ISSUES, OR WELL LET ME GET OLDER, I CANNOT > PROMISE THAT I CAN LEAD A VERY STRICT LIFE. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS > PRAPATTI DONE WITH MY WIFE/HUSBAND; I WOULD LIKE TO GO AFTER MY KID > BECOMES 7 YEARS OLD AND CLUB IT WITH THE UPANAYANAM OF THE KID; I WILL GET > IT AFTER RETIREMENT..... WE CAN COME UP WITH THOUSAND REASONS TO POSTPONE > THIS. IT IS HIS PROBLEM TO GUIDE US TO LEAD IN WHATEVER STRICT LIFE HE > WANTS, ONCE WE OFFER OURSELVES TO SRIMANNARAYANA'S LOTUS FEET; WHY DO YOU > WANT TO MAKE IT YOURS? > Let me start by sincerely confessing that I am a total aj~nAni. So, please forgive my blabbering. Krishna, your points are well taken. I agree with all of your comments before the one above. Your point has a very noble intention of reminding the audience about the importance of prapatti. THERE IS NO DOUBT OF THAT FACT. However, if the crux of the above message is "Don't worry about age, status, inability to lead a strict life; Don't postpone; go get prapatti done," then I disagree with that. If that is not the message, please ignore everything that follows. Just getting prapatti done as a karma might not be what our Acharyas intended. Perhaps, prapatti has a 99% j~nana content (since Akinchanyam, mahA vishvAsam, etc. etc. are all what the mumukshu feels deep in his/her heart ... it is a mental state), and a 1% karma content. The reason I use the word "perhaps" is because I am by no means knowledgeable in such lofty matters. So, although one can be assured that the Satya Sankalpi BhagawAn will make sure that the fruits of one's prapatti are realized, one's actions also have to be sincere. Just as we follow the sAstras for the other ten things we do (like performing nithya and naimittika karmas), we should do the same for prapatti also. I see a big dilution in the concept of prapatti itself. These days when one gets married, the first thing that is done in families is to get samAshrayaNam and bharaNyAsam (S and B) done for the couple. The newly married couple thinks that S and B are the eleventh and twelfth acts to be done after a hectic ten things they have already done in the past month. This is what I mean by dilution. The bhAgawatA's intentions are indeed noble when they suggest that S and B should be done to the person, but the one getting it done has absolutely no clue what-so-ever as to what is happening. There is simply no time to get into an education process. And two months later life has not changed one bit after S and B. Shouldn't the life a person change after S and B? Should a person not be stricter in his/her life and follow the sastras to the best of their ability after S and B? What use is there of S and B if a person does not develop stricter guidelines for mental attitude and physical conduct? And all this should come out of the person's own volition. The situation is indeed a sad one which our AchAryas do not approve of but have to live with in the greater interests of mankind. I don't have any solutions to the problem. However, I think spiritual education should start early. The smart and true mumukshus will themselves approach the Holy feet of those great Acharyas we are blessed with like Andavan, Jeeyar and several others and surrender to the Lord Sriman NaaraayaNa with the true bhAvam. Such people will have unshakeable faith in the glorious concept of prapatti and be true to our siddhAntam. I think the Lord will himself show the way to the not-so-convinced ones, just as he is responsible for the conviction in the smart mumukshus. If education and j~nana are not part of prapatti, it is no prapatti from the jeevAtma's end (may be there is no difference from the paramAtma's end). To sum it all, a true mumukshu is one who will seek an AchArya with urgency. If a person would like to postpone matters because they want the child to grow up, or they want to wait for retirement, or a score of other reasons, it simply means that the person is not ready for prapatti. What use is there in just forcing the person to get prapatti done if all he/she thinks is that it is a mere ritual? Doing prapatti as a mere ritual is in my opinion the highest form of apachaaram on our Acharyas. Let us not treat these mahAtmas like toys!!! I hope this is taken in the true spirit. I request forgiveness for all my bhagawat and bhaagawat apachaarams. If some words I have spoken seem harsh, that was certainly not my intention. But if you think they are erroneous, please do correct me. > || SarvAparAdhAn Kshmasva || > > || Sarvam Sri KrishNArpaNamastu || > > -- Murali KaDAmbi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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