** Namo Narayanaya

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Here in this email Sri Sampath Rengarajan has indicated an internal

pramanam given in the Naalayira Divya Prabandam. However, this pramanam is

not acceptable in an inter-scholastic debate regarding "pranava". But, this

verily is important to a Shrivaishnava that Our Alwars did abide by the

varnashrama dharma. For this very same reason in the Naalayira prabandam

vedic hymns or language were not used; but the meaning of the vedas were

well presented. For a complete assessment of this statement one should

read the "Mysticism and the philosophy of the Alwars" by S.M.S Chari.

 

adiyen Krishna

 

 

 

 

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The topic was originally raised as follows.

 

 

On Jun 18, 4:49pm, Mani Varadarajan wrote:

> all parts of the moola mantra, including

> the praNavam in sequence, .....

> However, many maintain the position

> that it should not be uttered or shared in such a manner.

>

 

In the course of the discussions who can utter it and what can be

utterred by some etc were discussed. I still consider the main

question was whether or not this can be publicly propagandaed by

anyone ?

 

One can derive the queation as "could be that why this cannot be

publicly propagandaed by anyone ?

 

Answer: Sri Venkat and Sri Kalale touched upon this earlier. The

main issue centered around the inclusion of "praNavam" in this

mantram. "praNavam" has to be given by a qualified soul and such

receiving soul thus becomes qualified soul to chant it. The

question can be simplified as to why the praNavam is given by

qualified (upadEsam) and not taken by any means ? ie., This must

only be received from reverred souls who have "adhikArams".

 

Who can chant (meidtate) it and who cannot ?

 

Answer: And only those who has received from such reverred souls

has adhikAram to chant it as well. meaning that "Reading from

published books and hearing from other mens need not constitute an

adhikAram for anyone to chant it or pronunce it.

 

 

adiyEN would like to direct the interested readers to a "pramANam"

that is derived for both the above positions from our AzhwAr

pAsuram itself.

 

 

1424:

Othu vaaymaiyum uvaniyap piRappum

unakku mun_thantha anthaNa Nnoruvan,

'kaatha lenmagan pugalidaNG kaaNEn;

kaNdu neetharu vaayenak kenRu,

kOthil vaaymaiyi Nnaanunai vEndiya

kuRaimu diththavan siRuvanaik koduththaay,

aatha laalvanthun adiyiNai yadainthEn

aNipo zhilthiru varangaththam maanE (5.8.7)

thirumangai AzhwAr on Sri Arangan

 

 

ie.,

"Othu vAimaiyum uvaNiya piRappum unakku mun thantha

anthanan oruvan" - periya thirumozhi

 

Othu - to chant

 

vAimai - praNavam and vEdam. In AzhwAr pAsurams vEdham is

generally referred as "maRai" and here the "vAimai" is referred to

praNavam muthalAna maRai anaitthum ie., all the vedas including or

that begin with pranava.

 

uvaNiya pirappum - ubanayanap pirappu ie, the dwijan or the second

birth one attains due to ubanayanam and brahma upadEsam.

 

unakku - To Lord HIMself

 

mun thantha anthanan oruavn - the brahmin who gave you the

"elegibility" here the word thantha is very key in many ways.

 

meaning 1: thantha means one who gave such othu vaimai and

uvaniya pirappu (Surface meaning)

 

meaning 2 : these two things are to be "given" (or ordained by

some) ie thara vENum enbathAL, thantha thAkirapadiyE. ie., since

these are to be oradined by someone the word thantha" or "given to

you" or "someone who gave you" is used. ie.. it is implied from

this that these are to be received from someone and not "taken"

from other means. It also means that "unakku pririthoruvar

thantha thAgaiyAL enkirapadiYE". ie., someone else has to ordain

this to you for you to chant these and not that you give it to

yourself by acquiring through someother means, and it is implied

that one "thAnE thAnAKa thanthu koLLa villai". ie., you didnot

take it or receive it by yourself from other means eventhough you

or Lord yourself. On the other hand YOU the Lord observed the

protocol and received these from an anthanan or brahmin.

 

 

meaning 3: the someone who can give must be a qualified one and

such (in this case) is cited as an anthaNan or brahmin is referred

here to an achAryAL of Lord in HIS incarnation.

 

meaning 4: unakku thantha, means the elegibility that was given

to you by such. ie, you became elegible to chant "vAimai" and

received brahma upadEsam from someone qualified. ie One has to be

qualified or elegible to chant these and such elegibility is

mainly passed on by a qualified guru or AchAryAL.

 

thirumangai AzhwAr thiruvadikaLE saraNam

Sampath Rengarajan