Guest guest Posted June 28, 1998 Report Share Posted June 28, 1998 Dear and revered Sri.Anbil, Thank you for a lovely write-up on the meanings of various "phala-srutis". I have a small and rather naive question on the subject. I'll be grateful if you could throw some light on it. We call the main body of a hymn as "stotra" or "stuthi" but reserve the Vedic term "sruti" to the epilogue! "phala-srutis" partake of the character of "sruti" even more than "stOrA-s" perhaps? What is the significance? Thank you Sir for your kind words about "bandhus and jantus". adiyEn, sudarshan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1998 Report Share Posted July 9, 1998 Dear Sudarsan, Thank you for an elaborate explanation. You have indeed regaled me with your amazing style. I feel that I am not in any better position than the gentleman you have referred to. Thank you again for educating me. In this connection, I would like to allude to the publication of Sribashyam by Purisai Swami. He chose to publish first the 4th Adhyayam. He explained that as it is verily the "Phala Adhyaya", he had chosen to project it first. This, he said, would create a taste for and induce reading the other Adhyayas. You are right when you state that reading the Phala will truly ensure the Phalas mentioned. I would appreciate if we can continue the discusssions through private mail. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1998 Report Share Posted July 9, 1998 Dear and revered Sri.Anbil, Many thanks for your succinct and clear note explaining why "phala-sruti" is "sruti". I am not sure I need to go the trouble of referring the matter to any scholars here in India. I've now been sufficiently informed, nay "regaled" even, by your own "stylish" note ! Jokes and banter apart, there was a serious reason why the question struck me in the first place. It was an old "mImAmsa" verse I'd read somewhere but I can't remember where. Here is the verse I noted down in my old scrap-book which I unhesitatingly "embark upon" to share with you (you who are definitely not "everyone or anyone" to me) even at the risk of being mistaken for "showing off my ignorance"! ): "upakrama-upasamhArow abhyAsa-apUrvatA phalam (note the word "phalam"!) arthavAdo-upapatti cha lingam tAtparya-nirnayE According to my notes scribbled here, since Vedic texts are sometimes very difficult to unravel or interpret the 'mImAmsa-sAstras" lay down in the above verse 7 ways in which Vedic pronouncements or "mahAvAkyA-s" are to be understood. There are 7 methods of understanding a piece of Vedic discourse or passage: (1) "upakrama" and (2) "upasamhAra" mean respectively "the initial" and "concluding" part of a work. If the "initial" and "concluding" part of a Vedic treatise or commentary speak of the same subject-matter or idea then, it may be safely assumed (according to the vedic pundits) that the same idea is the central matter about which the whole of the Vedic passage deals. (3) "abhyAsa" is repeating an idea or theme. In a certain Vedic passage, if a single idea is repeated again and again then that is taken to be the central theme of the passage. (4) "apUrvatA" I learn denotes an idea that does not get mentioned at all in the narrative or ideological flow of a passage but appears quite suddenly, as it were in mid-stream, out of the blue! The idea or theme which thus gets expressed afresh is then taken to be the central purpose or import of the Vedic passage concerned. (5) "phala" (which is very interesting to me personally and which is what, believe me, sparked my question to you) means "fruit", "benefit", "reward" or "result". If in the course of a Vedic work or speech, it is said,"If you act in this manner you will gain such and such fruit or benefit", it means that the central purpose of the work or speech is to persuade you to act in the manner suggested so that you may reap the fruit or "phala" held out. (6) Sometimes (the scholars say) in a Vedic passage a number of ideas or points are dealt with. Even a story based on such various ideas may be woven and narrated. In the course of such narration a particular matter will receive special attention. This particular point then must be considered, I learn, as the central purpose of the passage. This method I understand is called "arthavAda". (7) Finally they say that Vedic passages where a certain viewpoint is sought to be established with sound reasoning then that viewpoint is to be treated as its central thesis. This the scholars say is called the "upapatti" method of interpreting the Vedas. Now many years ago I once had a gentleman-friend (a true "paramEkAntin" in my opinion) who confided in me that he actually fought shy of reciting the "phala-sruti" portions of the Vishnu-sahasranAmam because reciting the divine 1000 "nAmA-s" of the Lord was "phala" or reward in itself! Where was the need then to recite the tail-end string of "shlOkA-s" purporting to be "phala-sruti-s" and which often take the good part of 3 or 4 extra minutes to mutter ? His was a very valid point, indeed! Then it occured to me suddenly to ask him if he accepted the view of our revered "AchAryA-s" that the "mahAbharatha" was indeed a fifth-Veda i.e "pancha-Veda"? He looked at me in a puzzled way but shook his head and said,"Of course I do!". "Then do you accept," I said,"that the "mahAbhAratA" too may contain, like the 4 other Vedas, certain great "veda-mahAvAkyA-s"? "Perhaps, yes", the man said. "Why do you say "perhaps"! Don't you think that passages like the "vidura-neethi", the "bhagavath-gitA", the vishnu-sahasranAmam" or the "yaksha-prasna" are all truly the equivalent of "veda-mahAvAkyA-s?", I persisted in quizzing the gentleman. He thought deeply and nodded his head in agreement. "Then if Vishnu-SahasranAmam" is a Veda-maha-vAkya," I continued,"how many of us can lay claim to a full and deep understanding of its true message, idea or central theme?", I queried. "Not many," the gentleman admitted,"but you might get some idea if you diligently followed the "bhAshyA-s" of our great "AchAryA-s"." "Have your studied the "bhAshyA" of Sankara or Bhattar?", I quizzed on. "Yes, a bit". "So what have they taught you about the "mahA-vAkya" which the Vishnu SahasranAmam you say verily is?" The gentleman remained silent in thought. For a while he scratched his head and then sheepishly admitted, "Not much, but I learnt something about the Lord's "kalyana-guna-s" here and there." I laughed and then put my arm around him and said,"Swami, don't be so ashamed. I too am in the same boat. I have done SahasranAma-pArAyanam for the good part of the last two decades and am yet to truly grasp and understand even a fraction of its exalted message notwithstanding poring over "bhAshyA-s", texts, commentaries and inter-Net summaries of it all!". "But," I exclaimed to the gentleman."adiyEn actually and very firmly believes that the sum and substance of the entire Vishnu-SahasranAmam lies in its alluring "phala-sruti". Hence even if I fail to recite the 1000 nAmA-s on a certain day I usually make up by reciting in full the "phala-sruti" portions instead!". The gentleman was shocked at my statement! "What! You hold the "phala-sruti" to be the equivalent of the main "sahasranAma"? What nonsense! How can anyone accept it? What is the "pramAnam" you have?", he thundered at me. It was then that I quoted to him the "mImAmsa-sAstrA" above which says : "upakrama-upasamhArow abhyAsa-apUrvatA phalam arthavAdo-upapatti cha lingam tAtparya-nirnayE and which also explains that one of the valid ways in which a "vedic" "mahA-vAkya" can be interpreted is through the "phalam" method or, as in the case of the "SahasranAmam", through its wholesome and magnificent "phala-sruti" !! The man shook his head, nodded disbelievingly and walked away with a bemused look on his face!! Hope you like my "style", Sri.Anbil! adiyEn, Sudarshan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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