Guest guest Posted August 12, 1998 Report Share Posted August 12, 1998 Sri. MaNi writes - -----start quote---- Where exactly in the PTM (periya thiru madal) does thirumangai aazhvaar go into detail about why dharma, artha, and moksha are inferior to kaama? And what, in brief, is his justification for the first two (I know about moksha from reading siRiya thiru madal)? Learned bhaktas are requested to respond. ------end quote----- Though I am not learned by any means, here is my explanation - In siriya thirumadal the AzhvAr says 'ipppArOr solappatta mUnRanRE ammUnRum ArAyildhAnE aRam poruL inbam enRu - ArAr ivaRRin idai adhanai eidhuvar sIrAr irukalaiyum eidhuvar' there are 3 purushArthams for the people of this earth - dharmam, artham (poruL, wealth) and kAmam - ArAr ivaRRin edai adhanai eidhuvar should be read as ivaRRinidai adhanai eidhuvar ArAr sIrAr iru kalaiyum eidhuvar i.e. of the three, those who have obtained kAmam would have obtained dharmam and artham. then he goes on to say that there are some people who say that there is yet another purushArtham - mOksham and he goes on to discount mOksham in favour of archAvathAram - 'ErAr muyal vittuk kAkkaip pin pOvadhE' In periya thirumadal, AzhvAr continues in the same vein - (In both the madals, AzhvAr's intent is to perform madal Urdhal for emperumAn because of his kAmam for emperumAn) AzhvAr begins periya thirumadal with description of perumAL, with the beautiful lotus flower on his nAbhi; then he goes on to say that perumAL created brahma on this lotus, and brahma created the 4 vEdas. now is the part that is of concern to maNi's question- ammaRai thAn mannum aRam poruL inbam vIdu enRu ulakil* nal neRi mEmpattana nAnku anRE* Those vEdas tell us that there are 4 purushArthams that are siRappu in this earth - aRam (dharmam) poruL (artham) inbam (kAmam) and vIdu (mOkshm). A question may arise here - in siriya thirumadal, AzhvAr says 'ammUnRum ArAyil dhAne aRam poRuL inbam anRu' - here he says 'ammaRai thAn mannum aRam poruL inbam vIdu'. So, is he contradicting himself? No. In siriya thirumadal, AzhvAr goes on to say about mOksham and discounts it. He does the same here in the following lines 'uLadhennil mannum kadun kadhirOn mandalaththin nannaduvuL* annadhOr illiyin Udu pOy* vIdennum thon neRikaL senRAraich solluminkaL sollAdhE* annadhE pEsum aRivil siRu manaththu* Angu annavaraik kaRpippOm yAme adhu niRka* if there is a something called mOkaham, show me somebody who has gone through the hot rays of the sun to mOksham and has come back! for those who cannot show me somebody who came back, but keep telling me that the sAstrAs say that there is a mOksham, I cannot clear their mind of that thought {literally, I cannot teach them that mOksham does not exist}! adhu niRkamunna nAn sonna aRaththin vazhimuyanRa annavarthAm........ let mOksham be there - let us see what the people who follow the dharmam get - AzhvAr goes on to describe that those who follow dharmam go on to enjoy the fruits of that anushtAnam by going to the lOkam of indra and spending time with beautiful apsarAs. then he says 'idhu anRE anna aRaththin payan Avadhu* After the description of the indralOkam and the apsarAs, aZhvar says 'this is indeed the fruits of aRam (dharmam)'. he goes on to say 'ONpoRuLum anna thiraththathE' - the same is the fruit of artham. The conclusion here is that both dharmam and artham lead to a fruit that basically is kAmam. he then says 'AdhalAl kAmaththin mannum vazhi muRaiyE niRRum nAm' (Since both dharmam and arththam lead to kAmam), I will (let us) adopt kAmam - He qualfies kAmam here by 'mannum vazhi muRaiyE'. mannum - nilai niRkum - something that lasts - so, the kAmam that AzhvAr refers here is that kind of kAmam that lasts forever - bhagavath vishaya kAmam. AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam, adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan, Thirumalai Anandanpilai Varadhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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