Guest guest Posted August 15, 1998 Report Share Posted August 15, 1998 Dear Bhagavathas, 08/15/98 My namaskArams. paramAtmA took avathAram to save the jIvans. abhayam enRa alaRalaik kEttu maNNuyir kAkkap piRandhAn; Om srIkrishNa parabrahmanE nama: dEvargaL magizhndhanar, mahEsvaran pUritthAn, pUvulagam sezhikkak kaNNan avadharitthAn! (1) sarvalOka rakshakan, dharmatthin kAvalan, asurar kulam kedukkap puviyiR thOndRinAn! (2) satthiyamE nitthiyam enRa punidha vidhiyai edutthuNarttha vandhanan para vAsudEvan! (3) nAnmaRai thORRinan, maRaiyadhu kAtthida vAnOr nilaipeRa innaruL pozhindhanan! (4) nallOr, punidhar, yOgiyar sindaiyil oLirbavan in~gE nEril vandhanan! (5) dharma sindhanai yAn~n~anum thazhaitthidap poimaRai azhitthidap pAril udhitthanan! (6) gIdhai ennum thonmaRai mozhindhu abhayam aLitthida vandhanan mannavan! (7) piRappenum punmai mAitthida vandhAn! karmak kayiRRai aRutthida vandhAn! (8) vAnam avanadhu vaNNam pUNdadhu; "aiyanE! aNdatthin mUlamE!" enRu thozhudhadhu; (9) kARRu kuLirndhadhu! pAdith thirindhadhu! parandhAman varavai eNNi ugandhadhu; (10) agniyO yagn~a mayamAna hariyin pErai saRRi sARRip pudhu oLi kaNdadhu; (11) aNdamE magizhchchik kOlam pUNdirukkaiyil mAri pozhindhu "hari! hari!" enRadhu; (12) n~yalatthai anRu aLandhavan inRu kuzhandhaip pAdhangaL koNdu piRandhAn! (13) "andhach chinnanchiRu padhangaL enmEl padumE AhA!" enRu nilam thannilai maRandhadhu; (14) "bhavappiNi ozhindhadhu, pudhunilai piRandhadhu" enRE munivOr agam magizhndhanar; (15) avanE endhan uLLathu iRaivan "achyuthA! ananthA! gOvindhA!" ennum, adiyArkku adiyavan, chandrasekaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 1998 Report Share Posted August 22, 1998 Dear Sri Chandrasekhar : Thanks for your note . I guess you intended to copy your note to the other members .Hence I am copying them .I am delighted to know that the Bangalore ISKON temple has the ArchA Murthys of Prahlada Varadan , Srinivasan besides Sri Krishnan , RaadhA RaaNi and Gauranga DevA .That is rather unique combination for an ISKON temple . You had asked as to who this Gauranga DevA is . Number of our members following the Gaudiya VaishNavA tradition would have lot more precise information on this subject . I will say a few words based on my limited understanding . For the Gaudiya VaishNavAs , Sri Guru and Gauranga are very important tattvams . A Gaudiya VaishNavA beleives that his/her only hope in approaching RadhA KrishNA is by surrender at the lotus feet of Guru and Gauranga . BhakthAs of this faith beleive in SaraNAgathi and they beleive further that "slavery" (nithya Kaimkaryam ) to the Infinity is the highest freedom ( Muktha Jeevan ) . To them KrishNA is Maadhurya LilA ,which is one step below audhArya Lila or Gaura LilA , which is recognized as " the whole sale distribution of KrishNa prEmA " .In Brindhavanam , the "highest person " or position is held NOT by KrishNA , but by Sri RadhA RaaNi .The PrayOjana TattvA for the Gaudiya VaishNavites is to be engaged in Her service ( Position of Sri Devi and Her relationship to the Lord in our darsanam). Sri GaurangA is the SOLE access to that plane of service . Chaithanya MahA Prabhu born in Bengal ( 1486 AD ) was given the name of GaurangA after his Upanayanam ceremony . A dear fellow bhakthA by the name NithyAnandhA Prabhu preached about the greatness of Gauranga LilA . In summary , GaurangA is the Combined form of Sri KrishNA ( VrajEsvarA ) and Sri RadhA RaaNi( Nappinnai?). The supreme Lord combined with His inner pleasure potency ( HlAdhini Sakthi ? ) appears in this world according to Gaudiya VaishNavAs as " the most merciful manifestation of God to distribute pure love for God to the most fallen souls of this present age " . RadhA and KrishNA have in short come to this world in the form of Gauranga to "destroy the material world " . I request my Gaudiya ViashNava friends to correct any inaccuracies in this summary . V.SadagOpan >The vigrahams on the right side were "Sri Krishnan >and Sri Balaraman", the left ones are those of Sri Gauranga >lifting both his arms above his head (other one I don't know; >also I don't know who this Sri Gauranga is) . Is he a saint >from Bengal?). > adiyEn, > chandrasekaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 1998 Report Share Posted September 2, 1998 Sri : Srimate Sri Lakshmi Nrusimha Para Brahmane Namaha Srimate Sri Lakshmi - Nrusimha Divya PAdukA Sevaka - Srivan Shatagopa Sri NArAyana Yateendra MahAdesikAya Namaha Dear devotees, Namo NArAyanA . pranAmams. On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Sri Sadagopan wrote: > For the Gaudiya VaishNavAs , Sri Guru and Gauranga are very > important tattvams . A Gaudiya VaishNavA beleives that his/her > only hope in approaching RadhA KrishNA is by surrender at > the lotus feet of Guru and Gauranga . BhakthAs of this faith > beleive in SaraNAgathi and they beleive further that "slavery" > (nithya Kaimkaryam ) to the Infinity is the highest freedom > ( Muktha Jeevan ) . To them KrishNA is Maadhurya LilA ,which " SaraNAgathi " ie. "prapatti" as explained by SwAmi Desikan is very much different from the "SaraNAgathi" that is referred above as the action of Gaudiya VaishnavAs. From SwAmi Desikan's exposition : Prapatti has angAs & angIs , performed exactly once (with regard to a particular goal) & is basically a Shadanga yogA . The science of prapatti can be understood only after the thorough knowledge of the invaluable meanings of the most sacred "rahasya traya mantrAs" . Prapatti is neither mere faith in the saving grace of Sriman nArAyaNA nor a mere prayer to Him for protection/moksha . Prapatti doesn't mean merely a surrendered life centred around serving Sriman nArAyaNA . Prapatti encompasses all of this & is much much more . Though "SaraNAgathi" is in general used for denoting "surrender" , what all things that needs to be fulfilled in that surrender (for moksham) is another issue . Prapatti is a SAdhya upAyA which needs to be done by a baddha jIvAtmA (through an AchAryA in most cases for lack of qualification ) which becomes a vyAjA for Sriman nArAyaNA , the Siddha upAyA, to grant moksham . It is very important to understand that it is Sriman nArAyaNA's mercy (Siddha upAyA) that is the reason for moksham & not the mere act of prapatti ie. In front of Siddha upAyA , SAdhya upAyA is _nothing_ & can't even be compared. Neverthless , SAdhya upAyA needs to be performed since thats the way Sriman nArAyaNA has ordered ( in Sruti & Smruti) to have a vyAjA for Him. So , if someone asks the reason for ones moksham , without any hesitation ,it is the siddha upAyam Sriman nArAyanA . The Divya Dampati is both the upAyA (means) & the upEyA (end) . SwAmi Desikan beautifully portrays the state of a prapannA while performing prapatti in the best & unparalleled pAsuram : "nin aruLAm gadhi inRi mattRonRu illEn ....." (ie. There is No other refuge for a prapannA other than the aruL (mercy) of Sriman nArAyaNA , <since he has realized that he has no capacity to perform bhakti yogA>....) . This is a very very highly moving & heart melting pAsuram, explained well by Sriman Sampath in the SaraNAgathi Journal . So , it is the "aruL" of Sriman nArAyaNA that is responsible for one's moksham. It is also very important to understand that "Prapatti" is the way through which Sriman nArAyaNA grants moksham . He doesn't give it by His own whims & fancies . He does it according to Sruti & Smruti. There are _only_ two ways for attaining moksham . It is "Bhakti" (ie. "Bhakti yogA" alias "ashtAnga yogA" ) & "prapatti" ie. these two are the vyAjAs for Sriman nArAyaNA, the siddha upAyam to grant moksham. nArAyaNA Himself, in Ahirbudhnya samhitA categorically declares : " bhaktyA paramayA vA-pi prapattyA vA mahAmathe prApyoham na anyathA prApyO mama kainkarya lipsubhihi " nArAyaNA here clarifies that these two are the only means & by _no other_ means will He grant moksham .So , all other processes like Bhagavad kalyAna guna Sravanam , nAma sankeertanam , living at a Divya desam , bathing in pushkarinIs & sacred rivers etc should culminate in either "bhakti" or "prapatti". " Svanishta Prapatti" is the culmination of the fully blossomed Bhagavad PremA . For performing Svanishta prapatti (ie. on one's own, without the aid of the AchAryA , though the prapatti sAstrA as such would be learnt from an AchAryA ) one needs to have Very high qualification - likes of Bhagavad RAmAnujA & SwAmi Desikan . The most important ingredient for Svanishta prapatti is the IN & OUT knowledge of the meanings of the three rahasya mantrAs apart from other scriptural knowledge which exactly aids in completing _all_ the requirements for a fruitful prapatti in a _proper_ order / way . Even if one of the requirements gets unfulfilled , Prapatti is not complete & moksham won't be granted by Sriman nArAyaNA. Thats why , Ukti nishtA & AchArya nishtA is followed even by AchAryAs for their prapatti. Infact , the exact modulus operandi of prapatti won't be revealed to a sishyA & a sishyA can possibly know it only during his prapatti & that too if it is in Ukti nishtA . In AchArya nishtA , that also is not possible . AchAryA passes on the upadesam to his select disciple whom he likes to continue performing "prapatti" for others. In ukti nishtA ,since the sishyA repeats whatever the AchAryA says , he fulfills all the requirements of prapatti . In AchArya nishtA , ofcourse all the requirements are taken care by AchAryA himself. Again , its upto Sriman nArAyaNA, the siddha upAyam, to either grant moksham or not. If He makes the sankalpam to grant moksham to a particular jIvAtmA at that time of the performance of its prapatti( in whatever type of nishtA), then moksham is assured 100% , since nArAyanA doesn't take back His sankalpam . Qtn : How can one be assured that NArAyanA made the sankalpam to give moksham at the time of prapatti ( for esp. AchArya & ukti nishtAs )? If the seeker atleast knows that Sriman NArAyanA is the supreme Lord & the granter of moksham ( ie. Supremacy over demigods ) & wants to get out of samsArA , his plea through prapatti( in appropriate nishtA ) for the seeker is granted by Sriman nArAyanA . If the seeker doesn’t have faith in nArAyanA / prapatti & also has demigod worship ( thinking that all demigods , nArAyanA are same etc ) , nArAyanA may reject the plea of AchAryA for that seeker . Eventhough the seeker of moksham had connections with demigods etc (ie. Doesn’t knew about the supremacy of nArAyaNA at the time of prapatti) if he changes after prapatti ( any time before his death ) & recognizes nArAyaNA as supreme & starts following Sri Vaishnavam with great respect for AchAryA ,developed mahA visvAsam (ie.supreme faith) on Sriman nArAyaNA's saving grace etc, then it is to be understood that Sriman nArAyaNA had made the sankalpam to grant moksham for him , when AchAryA pleaded . If even after undergoing prapatti, one doesn’t have faith in nArAyaNA & resorts to something like demigod worship (thinking that they all are same ) & this was the case till he died , then it is understood that nArAyaNA hasn’t accepted the prapatti. Further clarifications : The reason for moksham is Sriman nArAyaNA's sankalpam to grant it for a jIvAtmA . So, nArAyaNA has to be pleased with a jIvAtmA in order to make that sankalpam . That category of "pleasing" arises to Him, when the baddha jIvAtmA perfects "bhakti" (ie. bhakti yogA). This is because He acts according to Sruti & Smruti (His commands) which categorically states that "bhakti yogA" is the only way for moksham ie. we get to know that "bhakti yogA" is the only way to please nArAyaNA to make Him grant moksham . But , for all those who cannot follow Bhakti yogA , nArAyaNA still says that if such jIvAtmAs performs prapatti unto Him , He will grant the moksham . Qtn : Does it mean that "prapatti" that is performed pleases the Lord to the same extent as that of "Bhakti yogA" ? The yogI performing Bhakti yogA has extreme & unsurpassed love for Sriman nArAyaNA & is uninterruptedly meditating upon Him to obtain moksham which is permanent bhagavad anubhavam & kainkaryam to the Divya Dampati at Sri VaikuNTham.So it is obviously logical for Sriman nArAyaNA to grant him moksham & thats the way Sruti & Smruti also says. What is the case of "prapatti" ? Ans : First of all, "prapatti" as nyAsa vidyA is enshrined in upanishads. Its modulus operandi is explained in a detailed manner in Ahirbudhnya samhitA , Lakshmi tantrA & other pramAnams. IthihAsa purAnams also have lot of references to prapatti. Ofcourse ,AzhwArs advocate Prapatti . KrishnA Himself in the famous charama slokam "sarva dharmAn...." says "Having already given up Bhakti yogA, due to inability , you seek refuge in Me alone ". Similarly , Sriman nArAyaNA advocates prapatti in His varAha avatAram & rAma avatAram through His varAha charama slokam & rAma charama slokam . The greatest burden for a baddha jIvAtmA is "bhakti yogA".Though the jIvAtmA wishes to meditate continuously on nArAyaNA , it is not able to do so primarily because of its karmA.It is not able to develop so much love towards Sriman nArAyaNA. Also , not all are eligible for Bhakti yogA . Only dvijAs can start performing it . Moreover , one cannot be sure of the number of future births that is needed to be taken in the case of bhakti yogA. Neverthless , a mumukshu , who has the burden of bhakti yOgam wants moksham. So , during prapatti , "bhara samarpanam" is done ie. Sriman nArAyaNA Himself is pleaded to be present in the "place"(sthAnA) of bhakti yOgA , since the mumukshu is not able to perform it. Sriman nArAyaNA who is pleaded to be in the sthAnA of bhakti yOgA is thus pleaded to give the fruit of bhakti yOgA ie.the level of "pleasing" He will obtain if one approached Him through "Bhakti yOgA" => He will grant moksham. This is the way sAstrAs teaches one to perform prapatti to Sriman nArAyaNA & thus it is the way it is done. So during prapatti , Sriman nArAyaNA Himself is present in the sthAnA of bhakti yOgA & gets as much pleasure as one would have approached Him through "bhakti" & grants moksham to the mumukshu . Ofcourse, there are three angIs to prapatti namely Atma samarpanam, bhara samarpanam & phala samarpanam which needs to be done . It is however important to understand that "prapatti" is not some mechanical process that fulfills some conditions . It is the fully blossomed stage of complete understanding of the tattva, hitam & purushArtam . sAstrAs are very merciful in enlisting various things that one would perform in that state of surrender thereby giving rise to its modulus operandi . Ofcourse, for mumukshus performing through ukti & AchArya nishtA , such thorough knowledge of sAstrAs & rahasya mantrAs is not neccessary. AchAryA takes care of all the requirements for pleasing Sriman nArAyaNA . This is also taken as a vyAjA (for granting moksham) by Sriman nArAyaNA as enshrined in scriptures . Thats why , the adoration of AchAryA is even more important than the adoration of Sriman nArAyaNA for a baddha jIvAtmA . There is no possiblity for a baddha jIvAtmA who doesn't have the capacity to perform bhakti yogA , to ascend to Sri VaikuNTham other than to fully depend on the mercy of his AchAryA who knows the way of performing Prapatti for him. To repay one's AchAryA for either blessing one with the true & divine knowledge or initiating him/her into Sri Vaishnavam (pancha samskAram) or performing prapatti for him/her is an impossibility. To be in accordance with one's svaroopam (nature) , one has to perform AchArya ,BhAgavatha & PerumAL kainkaryam in that order of priority & these things doesn't mean that one is repaying something to the debt one owes to his/her AchAryA . Qtn : Why is Sriman nArAyaNA advocating only two ways for granting moksham ? What will happen to a person who is very devoted ? Eventhough that devoted person didn't perform either prapatti or bhakti yogam , why is not nArAyaNA granting him moksham on the grounds that he is devoted to him ? Ans : It is not that such a devoted person would be deprived of moksham by Sriman nArAyaNA. Such a devotee would be guided by Sriman nArAyaNA to end up with either "bhakti" or "prapatti" . So , its just a matter of time -may be within that life time or in the next few births . Its Sriman nArAyaNA's sankalpam that He would grant moksham for those who perform only either "bhakti" or "prapatti" . sAstrAs amply support this & He Himself says so in Ahirbudhnya samhitA. One can't question either sAstrAs or Sriman nArAyaNA's sankalpam. sAstrAs are the rules that govern the baddha jIvAtmas in the leelA vibhUti & for a Lord to be impartial & to rule the world , these framework of rules are needed to be followed strictly by Him. final comment : To understand Prapatti properly , one needs to perform kAlakshebam under the lotus feet of a sadAchAryA & only by his blessings through the exposition of granthams like Srimad Rahasya Traya sAram can one can know about the unsurpassed glories of Prapatti . A sadAchAryA teaches such grantham only to those who have undergone Pancha samskAram since this gives the sishyA the eligibility to learn esoteric topics & it also acts as a measure of the sincerity from the part of a sishyA to committ himself/herself for following the divine sampradAyam . Namo NArAyanA Adiyen Anantha PadmanAbha dAsan Sarvam Sri KrishnArpanamastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1998 Report Share Posted September 3, 1998 > Dear devotees, > Namo NArAyanA . pranAmams. > >On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Sri Sadagopan wrote: > >> For the Gaudiya VaishNavAs , Sri Guru and Gauranga are very >> important tattvams . A Gaudiya VaishNavA beleives that his/her >> only hope in approaching RadhA KrishNA is by surrender at >> the lotus feet of Guru and Gauranga . BhakthAs of this faith >> beleive in SaraNAgathi and they beleive further that "slavery" >> (nithya Kaimkaryam ) to the Infinity is the highest freedom >> ( Muktha Jeevan ) . To them KrishNA is Maadhurya LilA ,which > > " SaraNAgathi " ie. "prapatti" as explained by SwAmi Desikan > is very much different from the "SaraNAgathi" that is referred > above as the action of Gaudiya VaishnavAs. > > From SwAmi Desikan's exposition : > Prapatti has angAs & angIs , performed exactly once (with regard to a > particular goal) & is basically a Shadanga yogA . The science of > prapatti can be understood only after the thorough knowledge of the > invaluable meanings of the most sacred "rahasya traya mantrAs" . > > Prapatti is neither mere faith in the saving grace of Sriman nArAyaNA > nor a mere prayer to Him for protection/moksha . Prapatti doesn't mean > merely a surrendered life centred around serving Sriman nArAyaNA . > Prapatti encompasses all of this & is much much more . > > Though "SaraNAgathi" is in general used for denoting "surrender" , > what all things that needs to be fulfilled in that surrender (for > moksham) is another issue . Dear BhakthAs : It is not clear to me as to what the purpose of this posting is in the context of my response to another member regarding what the Gaudiya VaishNavA believes and wh is Gauranga in their system .If this posting by Sri Anaantha PadmanAbhan is for my educational benefit on Sri VaishNavite SaraNAgathi Tattvams ,I welcome it as input form a knowledgable person . One can and has to learn thru out one's life from scholars. I am sure that I did not suggest that the "SaraNAgathi" concept in Gaudiya VaishNavism is the SAME as that of Sri ViashNavAs of one kalai or other believe in .If this posting is out of concern for those , who may be misled or confused , that is a noble act worthy of thanks. Either way , it is a thoughtful note like many other notes by Sriman Anantha Padmanaabhan to help all of us understand precisely the esoteric aspects of our SiddhAntham . V.Sadagopan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1998 Report Share Posted September 3, 1998 namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya, Dear vaishhNava-s, Thanks to our dear shrii. ananta-padmanaabha-daasan and shrii. V.Sadagopan for their excellent vaishhNava writings. gauDiya vaishhNava's concept of sharaNaagati seems similar to that of shrii-sampradaaya in some respects. Though I (unfortunately) am not yet a real practitioner of either sampradaaya , from the gauDiya literature I have, I can tell that, like vedaanta-deshika, shriila sanaatana gosvaami (one of the principal gauDiya vaishhNava aacaarya-s) in his work, "hari-bhakti-vilaasa" (11.417) also emphasises sharaNaagati with six anga-s: "aanukuulyasya sankalpaH praatikuulyasya varjanaM rakshishhyatiiti vishvaasaH goptR^tve varaNaM tathaa aatma-nikshepa-kaarpanye shhaD-vidhaa sharaNaagatiH " Translation by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedaanta svaami shriila Prabhupaada, " The six aspects of full surrender to KR^ishhNa are (1) accepting things favourable for devotional service, (2) rejecting things unfavourable for devotional service, (3) believing firmly in the Lord's protection, (4) feeling exclusively dependent on the mercy of the Lord for one's maintenance, (5) having no interest separate from that of the Lord, and (6) always feeling meek and humble before the Lord. " -Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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