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Sri :

Srimate Sri Lakshmi Nrusimha Para Brahmane Namaha

Srimate Sri Lakshmi - Nrusimha Divya PAdukA Sevaka -

Srivan Shatagopa Sri NArAyana Yateendra MahAdesikAya Namaha

 

Dearmost Sri VaishnavAs ,

Namo NArAyanA . kindly accept adiyen's pranAmams.

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Everyone knows that it is the same NArAyanA who has taken

different forms as RanganAthar , SrInivAsar , PeraruLALan etc.

But each archAvatAram is unique on its own . Though the ultimate

reason for PerumAL to take various archAvatArams is to please His

devotees , the leelAs employed by the PerumAL from various Divya

Desams are different . It is similar to how eventhough KrishnA &

RAmA are the same NArAyanA in different forms , their leelAs were

different . So , the debate boils down to the discussion on these

lines . NArAyanA cannot be limited to say 50 or 100 kalyAna gunAs.

It is countless . Infinite are His ways also in which NArAyanA deals

with His devotees . It is this variety of exhibition of His kalyAna

gunAs to His devotees that makes even the dry samsAric life (ie.

association with a material body) also to be as good as a life in

Sri Vaikuntam .

 

Infact the very reason for NArAyanA to take various avatArams is

to make the jIvAtmAs get attracted in any one of His forms/leelAs

etc. So, if a devotee strongly feels that PerumAL in one Divya Desam

is the superior most in comparison with other Divya Desa perumALs ,

then NArAyanA is infact highly pleased , since the very reason for

His archAvatAram in that particular form is to make His devotee have

a strong personal relationship with respect to that form.

 

Ofcourse , the answer to the debate is already known . Our AchAryAs

have already clearly mentioned it . But the purpose of the debate

is to experience the kalyAna gunAs of Sriman NArAyanA in a different

way viz. friendly arguments & thereby bringing out the glories of

different Divya Desams .

 

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Transgression of facts (during arguments concerning the superior

perumAL ) , wherever it is made in the drAmA will be made evident in

the form of a dialogue . So , one needn't be guessing whether the

statements are either facts or not. The actual debate will start

from the next posting . So this info is for the next posting

basically .

 

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The great bhAgavathA Sage NArAdA goes to the kArya Vaikuntam (*)

& offers mangaLAsAsanam to Sriman NArAyanA :

 

NAradar :

PallAndu pallAndu pallAyirathAndu pala koti NoorAyiram

mallAnda thinthOL manivannA Un sevadi sevvi thiruk kAppu

 

adiyomodum ninnodum pirivinri Ayiram pallAndu

vadivAi nin valamArbinil vAzhginra mangaiyum pallAndu

vadivAr sothi valaththurayum sudar Azhiyum pallAndu

padai pOr pukku muzhangum ap pAnchajanniyamum pallAnde

 

NArAyanA : Please come NAradA. I am highly pleased by your kind visit.

 

NAradar : Oh my dear Lord ! adiyen is in this status by your mercy

only . PallAndu to your infinite kalyAna gunAs . All

Your bhAgavthAs faint while thinking about your Soulabhyam

& Sowseelyam inspite of Yourself being the Para Brahman &

Master of all .

 

NArAyanA : Is there any special purpose for your visit ?

 

NAradar : Eventhough You know whats going on in adiyen's mind , it is

Your Wish to hear from adiyen itself . So, as a servant of

Yours , adiyen will act as per Your desire .

 

adiyen is not able to tolerate the aj~nAnam (ignorance)

prevailing in the earth. kali yugA is very horrible .

Earth is filled with so many athiests . Not only that they

don't know about You , they also mislead so many other

people . So called "Scientists" of the earth propagates

non-sensical theories like Universe was born on its own

with some big bang or something like that ; Life originated

from matter etc . These people are glorified as the topmost

intellectuals of the society & all the people blindly

follow their dictations in all spheres of life. All the

children are made to believe such things & brain washed from

their childhood to develop athiestic attitudes . The limit

to which the materialistic science can work or possibly

yield fruitful results is not understood by the people .

 

The most unfortunate part is that even the pure vedAs ,

IthihAsa purAnAs after getting into the hands of ignorant

ones are heavily suffering . Many men in the name of

modern philosophers , Indologists & researchers write

hundreds of books on vedAntA , purAnAs etc with their own

speculative ideas . They misinterpret them and causes

much more confusions by forming their own individual

philosophy derived out of vedAntA . Added to this confusion

is the presence of many more philosophies that are not based

on vedAs.

 

IthihAsa purAnAs are branded as fictitious stories , mere

employment of symbolism etc . All Your most merciful

avatArams & leelAs are considered as some fairy tale for

mere learning of some ordinary dharmA. Existance of demigods

are not understood & are considered as some symbolic

representations. The apaurusheyA vedAs are considered to

be some speculative ideas written in the form of texts.

 

You Yourself experienced how the asurAs & fools were

ignorant about your supra mundane LeelAs during Your vibhava

avatArams . In archAvatAram You are experiencing worser &

worser apachArams. Many pseudo intellectuals think foolishly

that ,since You are present everywhere (Divya Atmasvaroopam)

, worshipping You specifically at Temples is mere

sentimentalism. Many speculate that man created God &

worship through Agama sAstrAs is some symbolism . Blood is

oozing out of adiyen's eyes due to such blasphemies , O my

Lord !

 

People hardly understand that as soon as the prathistA for

the vigrahA is done , You make the sAnidhyam in it by mixing

the suddha sattvam into the vigrahA & thereby making it Your

divine body (divya mangaLa vigraham) & thus it is no more a

mere stone or a wood or whatever it was before. Only Your

dear devotees understand Your unlimited mercy in taking an

archAvatAram by accepting whatever name & form they give and

give them the oppurtunity to serve You with pure love , that

being their svaroopam (nature).

 

As long as the jIvAtmA is with material body , it has no

scope of having the vision of You (DivyAtma svaroopam). It

is only possible at Sri Vaikuntam. Thus , Your Divya MangaLa

vigrahA (form) is the sole refuge for all the baddha

jIvAtmAs. Also, only fortunate souls can have the sevai

(vision/darSan) of Your Divya MangaLa vigrahA at Ksheera

sAgarA, kArya vaikuntam , one's heart (hArdan) etc . Being

not in the same timeperiod as that of Your Vibhava

avatArams like NrusimhA , RAmA & KrishnA , Your sevai

(darSan) at various Temples remains as the people's only

refuge .

 

Just reading the pramAnams here & there, boosts heavily the

ego of many people & make them think that they are

independent & not subservient to You ; while others due to

ignorance foolishly equate You with all demigods like Lord

BrahA, Lord ShivA & others . They don't understand that

You being completelty free of all karmA eternally , the

divya mangaLa vigrahA You posses in archAvatArams

are of the combination of the suddha sattvA in matter and

not like the vigrahAs of other demigods which doesn't have

any connection with Suddha sattvA due to the connection of

karmA with all jIvAtmAs that are given the post of some

demigod .

 

Parama BhAgavathOthamAs involved in the propagation of the

Prapatti mArgA & the glorious Rahasya Traya mantrAs are

being neglected & even rediculed as sentimentalists etc by

many ignorant men. Thinking of all Your most merciful

avatArams drive all Your devotees mad & how can adiyen

forget the devotional outpourings of Your most beloved

AzhvArs ? Hardly anyone understands the most important

sarIra - sarIrI bhAvA which exists between jIvAtmA & You ,

as well as between achit & Yourself .

 

Many think that by merely reading 5 or 10 books on vedAntA

will make him a master of it & can know about all the

tattvA , hitA & purushArthA easily , while actually being

ignorant of the fact that it is actually You out of Your

mercy rewards them according to their sincerity &

qualification . The unfortunate part is that , most of the

writers of such books are themselves in confused state who

think that whatever they feel is the tattvA . Even the most

precious gems amongst granthAs from Your sampradAyam ,

fiercefully preached by Bhagavad RAmAnujA, is read like a

novel by many ,due to which they are also in confused

state , since how will You benedict them the divine

knowledge , when there is no expression of humility &

submissiveness towards the SadAchAryA ,atleast as a token of

respect for their unlimited mercy in blessing them through

their granthAs , while actually no act of theirs can be

thought of as a repay of their debts to their AchAryAs .

 

Hardly one realizes the importance of a SadAchAryA & the

SatsampradAyam . Your own Bhagavad sAstrA (pAncarAtrA) is

unfortunately rejected by many because of their ignorance.

Hardly one follows the Do's & Dont's of sAstrAs which are

Your divine commands . Not only that many are indulging

simply in materialistic things , they also committ excessive

apachArams unto You & Your devotees .

 

As soon as SisupAlan started deriding You , all the Rishis

evacuated the place since their tapas will completely be

destroyed by hearing such blasphemy . But now everywhere in

the world , these type of blasphemies in various ways are

present in various degrees . What can Your devotees do ?

 

Many have already piled lots of sins & involve themselves in

bhagavad apachArams. adiyen is not able to digest the amount

of suffering they are undergoing now & will be undergoing in

the future . Being unbiased as a IswarA , You are equal to

all & reward according to their desires & karmA , thus not

interfering with their free will. But Oh my Lord , please

transfer all their sins unto adiyen & let adiyen suffer in

various hells for thousands of years , while they all after

realizing their svaroopA(nature) as Your eternal servant

& thereby performing prapatti will be in bliss by performing

kainkaryam unto You at Sri Vaikuntam .

 

It is very rare to see those ParamaikAntins who being

burdenless ,after their bhara samarpanam unto You, are

engaging themselves in Bhagavad & BhAgavatha kainkaryam

alone, with least botherations about the materialistic

world.

 

NArAyanA : Oh My dear NAradA ! I understand Your deep concern for

the welfare of all the baddha jIvAtmAs . It is My sankalpam

to not force any jIvAtmA & make them act contradictory to

their wishes . As you know , I go by their acts (karmA) &

reward accordingly . I give refuge to those who perform

prapatti unto Me . The only way to turn their attention unto

Me is the glorification of My kalyAna gunAs in various ways

while particularly referring to My archAvatAra leelAs .

If one listens to My avatAra LeelAs from a parama bhAgavathA

he will atonce be purified . Such paramaikAntins are there

near Thiru alli kEni divya desam , while actually performing

kainkaryam unto Me present as Satya NArAyanan at West

MAmbalam .

 

NAradar : NArAyana ... NArAyana . adiyen understood Your thiru ULLam.

Its adiyen's bhAgyam to be Your instrument in starting a

LeelA of Yours . adiyen is atonce going there .

NArAyana .....NArAyana .

 

-- to be cont --

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(*) kArya vaikuntam : Replica of Sri Vaikuntam (parama padam) within

the materialistic world wherein great rishis , sages etc get the

bhAgyam of performing mangaLAsAsanam to Sriman NArAyanA . All

the incidents narrated in the purAnAs like Curse to JayA & VijayA,

Visit of Bhrugu Maharishi & hitting Lord's chest etc took place

in this kArya vaikuntam & not in the Sri Vaikuntam to which only

jIvAtmAs released from bondage of samsArA can enter . In other

words , those having materialistic bodies ( ie. those who are

having association with karmA ) cannot enter Sri Vaikuntam .

Sri Vaikuntam doesn't have anything associated with matter . All

are made up of suddha sattvA out there . There is no more

association with karmA (ie. taking up of materialistic bodies) for

those who have attained moksham (ie. those who have entered Sri

Vaikuntam) .Information on the life at Sri Vaikuntam is very

difficult to explain since one can understand it only after

reaching there . It is similar to how one can tell that Mango is

very tasty & give some analogies for explaining it; but , the real

taste can be understood only after practically eating it .

Ofcourse Kaushiytaki upanishad , ThiruvAimozhi , Vaikunta Gadyam ,

Sri Vaikunta sthavam & other similar pramAnams explain the needful

for us . ParamaikAntins can have the understanding of the bliss

one will be having at Sri Vaikuntam.

 

Namo NArAyanA

Adiyen

Anantha PadmanAbha dAsan

Sarvam Sri KrishnArpanamastu

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shrii Anantha PadmanAbha dAsan writes:

> [...]

> NArAyanA : Is there any special purpose for your visit ?

>

> NAradar : Eventhough You know whats going on in adiyen's mind , it is

> Your Wish to hear from adiyen itself . So, as a servant of

> Yours , adiyen will act as per Your desire .

>

> adiyen is not able to tolerate the aj~nAnam (ignorance)

> prevailing in the earth. kali yugA is very horrible .

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> [...]

 

 

shriimad bhaagataM (12.2.1-16 & 12.3.24-44) contains descriptions of

the Kali age.

 

- Ram

 

 

The following translation is by disciples of His Divine Grace

A.C. Bhaktivedaanta Svaami Prabhupaada.

 

 

BEGIN_QUOTE

 

"Sukadeva Goswami said: Then, O King, religion, truthfulness,

cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and

memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence

of the age of Kali.

 

In Kali-yuga, wealth alone will be considered a sign of a man's good

birth, proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be

applied only on the basis of one's power.

 

Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction,

and success in business will depend on deceit.

 

Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise

in sex, and a man will be known as a brahmana just by his wearing a

thread.

 

A person's spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to

external symbols, and on the same basis people will change from one

spiritual order to the next.

 

A person's propiety will be seriously questioned if he does not earn a

good living. And one who is very clever at juggling words will be

considered a learned scholar.

 

A person will be judged unholy if he does not have money, and hypocrisy

will be accepted as virtue.

 

Marriage will be arranged simply by verbal agreement, and a person

will think he is fit to appear in public if he has merely taken a bath.

 

A sacred place will be taken to consist of no more than a reservoir of

water located at a distance, and beauty will be thought to depend on

one's hairstyle.

 

Filling the belly will become the goal of life, and one who is

audacious will be accepted as truthful.

 

He who can maintain a family will be regarded as an expert man, and

the principles of religion will be observed only for the sake of reputation.

 

As the earth becomes crowded with a corrupt population, whoever among

any of the social classes shows himself to be the strongest will gain

political power.

 

Losing their wives and properties to such avaricious

and merciless rulers, who will behave no better than ordinary

theives, the citizens will flee to the mountains and forests.

Harassed by famine and excessive taxes, people will resort to eating leaves,

roots, flesh, wild honey, fruits, flowers and seeds.

Struck by drought, they will become completely ruined.

The citizens will suffer greatly from cold, wind, heat, rain and snow.

They will be further tormented by quarrels, hunger, thirst, disease

and severe anxiety.

The maximum duration of life for human beings in Kali-yuga will become

fifty years.

 

By the time the age of Kali ends, the bodies of all creatures will be

greatly reduced in size, and the religious principles of followers of

varnasrama will be ruined.

The path of the Vedas will be completely forgotten in human society,

and so-called religion will be mostly atheistic.

 

The kings will mostly be theives, the occupations of men will be

stealing, lying and needless violence, and all the social classes will

be reduced to the lowest level of sudras.

 

Cows will be like goats, spiritual hermitages will be no different

from mundane houses, and family ties will extend no further than the

immediate bonds of marriage.

 

Most plants and herbs will be tiny, and all trees will appear like

dwarf shaami trees. Clouds will be full of lightning, homes will be

devoid of piety, and all human beings will have become like asses. At

that time, the Supreme Personality of Godhead will appear on the

earth. Acting with the power of pure spiritual goodness, He will

rescue eternal religion."

 

- shriimad bhaagavataM 12.2.1-16

 

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"In the age of Kali only one fourth of the religious principles

remains. That last remnant will continuously be decreased by the

ever-increasing principles of irreligion and will finally be destroyed.

 

In the age of Kali people tend to be greedy, ill-behaved and

merciless, and they fight one another without good reason.

 

Unfortunate and obsessed with material desires, the people of

Kali-yuga are almost all sudras and barbarians.

 

When there is a predominance of cheating, lying, sloth, sleepiness,

violence, depression, lamentation, bewilderment, fear and poverty,

that age is Kali, the age of the mode of ignorance. Because of the bad

qualities of the age of Kali, human beings will become shortsighted,

unfortunate, gluttonous, lustful and poverty-stricken.

 

The women, becoming unchaste, will freely wander from one man to the

next. Cities will be dominated by theives, the Vedas will be

contaminated by speculative interpretations of atheists, political

leaders will virtually consume the citizens, and the so-called priests and

intellectualls will be devotees of their bellies and genitals.

 

The brahmacaris will fail to execute their vows and become generally

unclean, the householders will become beggars, the varnaprasthas will

live in the villages, and the sannyasis will become greedy for wealth.

 

Women become much smaller in size, and they will eat too much, have

more children than they can properly take care of, and lose all

shyness. They will speak harshly and will exhibit qualities of

theivery, deceit and unrestrained audacity.

 

Businessmen will engage in petty commerce and earn their money by

cheating. Even when there is no emergency, people will consider any

degraded occupation quite acceptable. Servants will abandon a master

who has lost his wealth, even if that master is a saintly person of

exemplary character. Masters will abandon an incapacitated servant,

even if that servant has been in the family for generations. Cows will

be abandoned or killed when they stop giving milk.

 

In Kali-yuga men will be wretched and controlled by women.

They will reject their fathers, brothers, other relatives and friends

and will instead associate with the sisters and brothers of their wives.

Thus their conception of friendship will be based exclusively

on sexual ties.

 

Uncultured men will accept charity on behalf of the Lord and

will earn their livelihood by making a show of austerity and wearing a

mendicant's dress. Those who know nothing about religion will mount a

high seat and presume to speak on religious principles.

 

In the age of Kali, people's minds will always be agitated. They will

become emanciated by famine and taxation, my dear King, and will

always be disturbed by fear of drought. They will lack adequate

clothing, food and drink, will be unable to properly rest, have sex

or bathe themselves, and will have no ornaments to decorate their

bodies. In fact, the people of Kali-yuga will gradually come to appear

like ghostly, haunted creatures.

 

In Kali-yuga men will develop hatred for each other even over a few

coins. Giving up friendly relations, they will be ready to lose their

own lives and kill even their own relatives. Men will no longer

protect their elderly parents, their children or their respectable

wives. Thoroughly degraded, they will care only to satisfy their own

bellies and genitals.

 

O King, in the age of Kali people's intelligence will be diverted by

atheism, and they will almost never offer sacrifice to the Supreme

Personality of Godhead, who is the supreme spiritual master of the

universe. Although the great personalities who control the three

worlds all bow down to the lotus feet of the Supreme Lord, the petty

and miserable human beings of this age will not do so.

 

Terrified, about to die, a man collapses on his bed. Although his

voice is faltering and he is hardly conscious of what he is saying, if

he utters the holy name of the Supreme Lord he can be freed from the

reaction of his fruitive work and achieve the supreme

destination. But still people in the age of Kali will not worship the

Supreme Lord."

 

- shriimad bhaagavataM 12.3.24-44

 

END_QUOTE

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