Re[2]: Thiruvaaymozhi 9.3- Narayanan- avanE avanum avanum av

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SrimathE NArAyaNAya namaha

 

On 8/27/98 1:38 PM

 

Sri Muralidhar wrote :

 

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Dear Bhaktas,

 

Thanks to Sri Madhavakannan Swamin for another nectarine

shower of NammAzhwar's Anubhavam. Please read again and again the

summary of verse 8 in this set. The Azhwar has specifically

stated that there is no difference between Parama Padam and

Tiruvenkatan. This constitutes the necessary and sufficient condition to

establish Tiruvenkatan as the foremost DD. Hopefully, there will

be more "floor-crossers" after reading this wonderful verse!

 

Namo Narayana,

 

Muralidhar Rangaswamy

 

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Well, please do read the next verse (No.9) where in NammAzhwAr says in

the last two lines

 

".. pazhudhil tholpughazhp pAmbaNaippaLLiyAi

thazhuvumARu aRiyEn unathALgaLE"

 

Very clearly this is our Arangan in his mind and he also says "He

doesn't know any other feet to surrender". Here thazhuvudhal is to be

interpreted as surrendering.

 

He might have said there is no difference between paramapadham and

thiruvEngadam but see whose feet he is referring to surrender. Well

now this seems that NammazhwAr while he did surrender in his 6th decad

to ThiruvEngadamudaiyan, he is also surrendering to Arangan with this

paasuram. He also says "ThannoppArillappan", about the ThiruviNNagar

emberumAn and adds "..ninRa AdhippirAn niRka, maRRai theivam

nAdudhirE", meaning why are you going to any other perumAL leaving the

great AdhippirAn at Thirukkurugoor.

 

He also praises, Thirukkudanthai ArAvamudhan as the best. This pAsuram

is a real classic. In the 5th decad 8m pathigam, 8th verse, the AzhwAr

says

 

"..thaLarAvudalam enadhu Avi sarindhu pOm pOdhu

iLayAdhu una thAL orungap pidithup pOdha isai neeyE".

 

Meaning :- when my soul is getting out of my body when my life is

nearing its end, please do grant me the boon of making it to your

feet.

 

What does these point out to. All the AzhwArs have praised one

emberumAn as the best when they sing about Him and the other as the

best when they sing about the other.

 

But if this is the case what is the basis of deciding which is the

best divya dEsam. It is certainly on the whole single prabhandams of

Thondar-adip-podi-AzhwAr dedicated to just Arangan and the mixed

reflections of ThiruppANAzhwAr where he can no longer resist thinking

of Arangan while singing about SrinivAsan.

 

Once again a classic case of starting with thiruvEngadamudaiyAn and

ending with Arangan by NammAzhwAr too.

 

I am certain there will be no floor crossers.

 

Sri RanganAyaki thAyAr samEtha Sri RanganAthan thriuvadigaLe saraNam.

 

adiyEn RAmAnuja dAsan

 

Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

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Dear Bhaktas,

 

Sri Venkatesh wrote:

 

 

> Well, please do read the next verse (No.9) where in NammAzhwAr

says in

> the last two lines

>

> ".. pazhudhil tholpughazhp pAmbaNaippaLLiyAi

> thazhuvumARu aRiyEn unathALgaLE"

>

> Very clearly this is our Arangan in his mind and he also says "He

> doesn't know any other feet to surrender". Here thazhuvudhal is to

be

> interpreted as surrendering.

 

 

How can we be certain that it is Arangan that the Azhwar had in mind?

There are 5 Kshetrams for Lord Ranganatha-Pancha Ranga Kshetrams.

How can we be certain that the Lord resting on the serpent bed is

the Lord of Srirangam? If it was an unambiguous statement like

Sri Ramanujacharya's Sri Ranganatha Gadyam salutation "Sriranga

Sayinam Asmat Swmainam Prabuddha", it leaves no room for doubt.

Throw in Srirangapattanam and Ananthapadmanabha Swamy of

Tiruvananthapuram, we have even more forms of our Lord to enjoy!

Therefore, I am still unconvinced that verse 9 refers to the Lord

of Srirangam (who by the way is extremely dear to me), especially

in light of the fact that NammAzhwar has performed SharaNagati to

the Divya Mangala Vigrahams of several Archa Murthis. If this

argument is used against Tiruvenkatan it can be applied against

Arangan as well. You can't have the cake and eat it too!

 

Namo Narayana,

 

Muralidhar Rangaswamy

 

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Dear Srimans Venkatesh , Rangaswamy and Sudarshan :

 

Following the excellent postings of Sri Rengarajan

on Sri Oppiliappan , our Kuls Dhaivam , I have sent

the first of the two or more postings on Sri Oppiliappan .

 

According to our PaancharAthra Aagamam ,

Bhagavaan NarAyaNA is our mUlam and His

in the form of ArchAmUrthys dear to

AzhwArs , AchAryAs and followers of

the different sampradhAyams . Same comments

can be made about Vibhava avathAra mUrthys

as well . Some declare that Lord KrishNA

is BhagavAN Svayam and others are Parama

Raama ChaithanyAs . Even here , we have to

revert back to Sriman NaarAyaNA in

Sri Vaikuntam as the Aadhi MUlam , who

responded to Gajenfran's acute plea for

help . That Gajendra Varadhan and

the StambhOthbhava Naarasimham responding

instantaneously to defend His Bhakthan's

MahA VisvAsam are none other than

Sriman NaarAyaNan .

 

Although we engage in this wonderful celebration

of our Ishta Dhaivams in the spirit of Saazhals and

Uthi paratthal following the sacred foot steps of

AzhwArs , the fact remains that every thing reverts

back to the paramaAsthAnam , Param Padham and

the divya dampathis there celebrated by

Swami Desikan in Parama padha SOpAna rahasya grantham.

 

Having said that , I will do some floor crossing in defense of

our Kula Dhaivam and how all these come together at

the Silver mantapam at AhObila Matam .

 

My thanks to all of you for keeping '

this discussion on the Anantha KalyANa guNams

o Sriman NaarAyaNA going in such a devout spirit.

We are learning together in the true spirit of

a sathsangham .

V.Sadagopan

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>Dear Bhaktas,

Hopefully, there will

>be more "floor-crossers" after reading this wonderful verse!

>

>Namo Narayana,

>

>Muralidhar Rangaswamy

>

>

> Once again a classic case of starting with thiruvEngadamudaiyAn and

> ending with Arangan by NammAzhwAr too.

>

> I am certain there will be no floor crossers.

>

> Sri RanganAyaki thAyAr samEtha Sri RanganAthan thriuvadigaLe saraNam.

>

> adiyEn RAmAnuja dAsan

>

> Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh

>

>