Guest guest Posted August 31, 1998 Report Share Posted August 31, 1998 Sri : Srimate Sri Lakshmi Nrusimha Para Brahmane Namaha Srimate Sri Lakshmi - Nrusimha Divya PAdukA Sevaka - Srivan Shatagopa Sri NArAyana Yateendra MahAdesikAya Namaha Dear devotees, Namo NArAyanA . pranAmams. ---- cont --- mAyAvAdIs & ashtAnga yogA : For mAyAvAdIs , a thing called Brahman which has no attributes whatsoever is the only reality. All other things are only illusory ie. unreal . So , for them , ultimately , there is no one called nArAyanA the supreme Lord with infinite gunAs. For them there is no God , there is no jIvAtmA , there is no prakruti (ie. matter ). All these things are only products of illusion. Brahman which according to them is nirviseshA (attributeless) is the only reality. But , as long as one doesn't realize these things , he needs to practise contemplation on nARAyaNA who has infinite kalyAna gunAs & follow vedAs. Ultimately , vedAs are also illusion for them . SankarAchAryA & his teachings though valid for a while , they also are ultimately illusory for them . RAmakrishnA , RamanA etc have their own versions of "mAyAvAdA" & have some changes here & there on the "advaitA" of SankarA . In other words , if nArAyaNA Himself comes in front of a "mAyAvAdi" giving the darSan of His most beautiful divya mangaLa vigrahA to him, & say even speaks with him & say even plays with him , then also the "mAyAvAdI" somehow convinces himself that it was also an illusion since anything other than the so called nirvisesha Brahman is only an illusion . Thats the really pitiful state of mind a "mAyAvAdi" develops & is in his own world of beliefs. He strains himself to condition his mind in such a way . Anyway , the prArabdha karmA of a jIvAtmA makes it undergo all these kind of happenings & makes it believe in such things . These mAyAvAdIs too write devotional songs, sings & dances , performs nAma sankeertanam etc . They believe that these things will slowly lead them to mokshA which according to them is realization of themselves being that nirvisesha Brahman. They also speak big things like "one should shed one's ego" , "there should be no identification of "I etc etc . All these things simply mean that since the only reality is the nirvisesha Brahman , there is no existence of "jIvAtmA" => one should shed the ego of thinking that he is a separate individual. So , according to Sri VaishnavAs , "mAyAvAdIs" fall under the premier category of persons performing "Bhagavad apachArams" & their philosophy is worse than athiesm . Atleast an athiest doesn't care about God . But a "mAyAvAdi" accepts that God is there for a while & then rejects finally . This doesn't mean that Sri VaishnavAs deride them etc . No one can change the vidhi (ie. fate) of a jIvAtmA. It will sail according to its deeds. ( avaravar tama tamadhu aRivaRi vagai vagai ........ avaravar vidhi vazhi adaya ninRanare ) . Lets imagine that two persons are eating something . One can at the outset describe their way of eating nicely & conclude that both are doing the same thing . On closer scrutiny one can be seen to eat beef & the other person eating Bhagavad prasAdam. Similarly ,the devotional song of a "mAyAvAdI" & that of a parama Sri vaishnava bhAgavathOthamA may be similar & one can keep eulogizing both to be of the same cader . Unfortunately , the intention with which the "mAyAvAdi" has composed it makes the whole song to be unfit for singing , just like adding a drop of poison into the milk before eating it . Composing devotional songs is not a big deal. The _real_ "devotional fervour" is the thing that is important . AzhwArs are those for whom the divine wisdom has been directly benedicted by Sriman nArAyaNA ( madi nalam aruLiyavan ) & thus each & every letter of their pAsuram will be highly relished by nArAyaNA. The purity of the pAsurams shouldn't even be compared with some mundane devotional song of some "mAyAvAdI" for whom both the seeker & the person to be sought are same => there is no meaning to "devotion" for him. Be it SankarA ,madhu soodhana saraswati , nArAyana theerthar , RAmakrishnA , RamanA , Sai bhAbA & other hosts of "mAyAvAdIs" , for all of them seeker & the sought are the same => devotional songs are only non sensical for them in the ultimate reality . Anyway in the ultimate reality , such devotional songs are also non-existent for them. Seriously adiyen doesn't know whether to laugh or shed tears at their philosophy . The member who has raised the above question must have had all these things in his/her mind & thats why is surprised at the references to "mAyAvAdIs" by some other members. Anyway , mAyAvAdIs may follow either X yogA or Y yogA , but their goal is entirely different. They might follow the same angAs of ashtAnga yogA also in the belief of obtaining mokshA (alias self-realization for them since there is only one thing called "self" & all other things are unreal) according to their theory. Just because mAyAvAdIs are prone to do such meditations , the pure process of ashtAnga yogA cannot be looked down. The possible reasons for a person to refer to "mAyAvAdIs" might be as follows. adiyen is obviously not saying that the following are the reasons for the references made by bhakti list members. Their reasons might be outside the reasons adiyen is giving .It is entirely member dependent & he/she will have their own reasons. But we shall just discuss a possible few reasons in general. a. A person may be a thorough believer in what "mAyAvAdIs" say. b. A person might be unaware of the philosophical intricasies of the "mAyAvAdIs" (ie. their actual beliefs) & might just consider them also as great devotees of nArAyaNA just like other Sri Vaishnava AchAryAs while there is no ultimate meaning to devotion for mAyAvAdIs. c. A person may have half knowledge in Sri Vaishnavam & half knowledge in "mAyAvAdism" & is in a confused state as to what is right & what is wrong , thereby refers to both Sri Vaishnava AchAryAs & "mAyAvAdIs" . d. A person might want to "show off" his knowledge regarding his mastery/partial knowledge over "mAyAvAdism" . e. A person who is after fame might think that glorifying mAyAvAdIs & their instructions might please some other "mAyAvAdIs" , completely forgetting the central principle of Sri Vaishnavam that it is one's svaroopam to glorify his poorvAchAryAs & Sriman nArAyaNA & his existence is merely for the pleasure of Sriman nArAyaNA , for this is the final essence of vedAs & its actual understanding. ( this doesn't mean that Sri vaishnavAs doesn't glorify mAyAvAdIs at all. Whatever good deeds they have done needs to be applauded on a merit basis. This also doesn't mean that a Sri VaishnavA should indiscriminately make "mAyAvAdIs" on par with his AchAryAs & keeps glorifying them & in that process display their ignorance ie. lack of discrimination through knowledge). f. A person having studied mainly the books of "mAyAvAdIs" can only quote from there , though at present he is very keen in following Sri Vaishnavam. g. A person may want to portray himself as a great follower of all sorts of philosophies like "mAyAvAdism" , Sri vaishnavam etc, by which he feels that he has risen above everyone while displaying the fact that he doesn't know either "mAyAvAdism" or "Sri vaishnavam" properly . There are many many other possibilities .But , with respect to some of the refernces by the bhakti list members to mAyAvAdIs on say "prAnAyAmam", they might have felt that "prAnAyAmam" is after all "prAnAyAmam". Its going to be same whether a "mAyAvAdi" talks about it or a Sri Vaishnava AchAryA talks about it. In a way its true. One can extend this idealogy to some of the other things. When the presented matter is the same irrespective of the source ,some might feel that there is no harm in referring to mAyAvAdIs.But the correspondent feels that there is no need to quote a mAyAvAdi , while one can refer to one's own AchAryA's words. This is also a genuine question . But , the member may be unaware of such writings of Sri vaishnava AchAryAs , but in full earnest interest wanted to share his/her knowledge that will help others .. The books of the mAyAvAdIs in english are in hundreds & almost everyone somehow reads them on their own since they don't have any spiritual guidance from a Sri Vaishnava AchAryA . Due to the lack of AchArya sambandhA , they start developing their own views & idealogies from various books .This may be leading to various ill effects which one might not be aware of. Finally it is through the mercy of a sadAchAryA that Sriman nArAyaNA will bestow His blessings. It is not one's own sanskrit knowledge or things like that which is the reason for one's understanding of sAstrAs. It is Sriman nArAyaNA who is going to reveal it through a sadAchAryA. Till that dawn of "true divine knowledge" because of the mercy of a sadAchAryA, one will be wavery in his mind in confusion. Bhagavad dhyAna sopAnam of SwAmi Desikan is there. But ,it is still for a much superior bhaktAs. Because of various sins,the attraction for perumAL's divya mangaLa vigrahA won't come easily. Rather , one would like to avoid them. Without following the Do's & Dont's of sAstrAs properly , one cannot hope to meditate on Sriman nARAyaNA's divya mangaLa vigrahA steadily . Neverthless , we have to try to meditate properly . Any single pAsuram from Divya Prabandham is sufficient to boost our devotion & be charged in meditating about nArAyaNA's divya mangaLa vigrahA , qualities etc . Namo NArAyanA adiyen anantha PadmanAbha dAsan Sarvam Sri KrishnArpanamastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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