Guest guest Posted December 17, 1998 Report Share Posted December 17, 1998 Sri venkat wrote, > Srimate Godaya Namaha > >Tiruvempavai- a 20 verse composition by Andal is not widely known >as Tiruppavai and Nacchiyar Tirumozhi. as it appear's that discussions >on the works of Sri Andal will dominate this month i request > learned Bhagavathas to shed some light on the above work of Sri Andal >(Tiruvempavai) and outline it"s importance. > >Thank you > >adiyen >Venkat S Iyengar > Dear respected members, Thiruvembavai is not in the vaishnavaite literature at all. it is written by saivaite nayanmar(Manikka vachakar?) exactly as in the same lines of tiruppavai of Sri.Andal on Siva. it also deals about the paavai nonbu aspect , but on saivaite bakthi . Regards K.M.Narayanan ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 1998 Report Share Posted December 17, 1998 Sri K.M. Narayanan wrote: > Thiruvembavai is not in the vaishnavaite literature at all. > it is written by saivaite nayanmar(Manikka vachakar?) exactly as in the > same lines of tiruppavai of Sri.Andal on Siva. > it also deals about the paavai nonbu aspect , but on saivaite bakthi . Tiruvembaavai is by the Saiva saint Maanikka vaacakar, as stated above. Maanikka vaacakar's time period is dated by scholars as being two or three centuries after Andal. He is also well after the three primary Tamil Saiva saints, Appar, Sundarar, and Jnana Sambandhar. After him, in the Tamil Saiva tradition, the mudhal moovar (first three) became naalvar or four. I am no Tamil scholar, but it seems to me that Maanikka vaacakar was very much influenced by the poetic themes of the Divya Prabandham. He composed a Tiruppalliezhucci on the same lines as Tondar-adi-podi Alvar, ending each verse with the same refrain as the latter, "emberumaan paLLi ezhundhu aruLaayE". But perhaps this was a common refrain used in sangam court poetry in honor of kings. Maanikka vaacakar's Tiruvembaavai is only 20 verses, and is similar to Andal's Tiruppaavai. However, the "paavai nonbu" theme suffers a bit in his work, in my opinion. In Saivism, there is no tradition analogous to the gopikAs of Brindavana who did penance to achieve union with Krishna. Therefore, Maanikka vaacakar makes the women of his poem perform the nonbu to attain Siva-bhaktas as their husbands. This to me is a little contrived, and indicates that the saint wanted to compose a Saiva work on the same lines as Andal's Tiruppaavai. One other difference is that Maanikka vaacagar does not have any introductory verses discussing the nature of the nonbu, the fruit, etc., straightaway proceeding to wake the lazy girls up early in the morning to worship Siva. Andal spends the first five verses of the Tiruppaavai discussing the reason, nature, and goal of the nonbu. Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 1998 Report Share Posted December 17, 1998 Srimate Godaya Namaha Tiruvempavai- a 20 verse composition by Andal is not widely known as Tiruppavai and Nacchiyar Tirumozhi. as it appear's that discussions on the works of Sri Andal will dominate this month i request learned Bhagavathas to shed some light on the above work of Sri Andal (Tiruvempavai) and outline it"s importance. Thank you adiyen Venkat S Iyengar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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