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Sri venkat wrote,

> Srimate Godaya Namaha

>

>Tiruvempavai- a 20 verse composition by Andal is not widely known

>as Tiruppavai and Nacchiyar Tirumozhi. as it appear's that discussions

>on the works of Sri Andal will dominate this month i request

> learned Bhagavathas to shed some light on the above work of Sri Andal

>(Tiruvempavai) and outline it"s importance.

>

>Thank you

>

>adiyen

>Venkat S Iyengar

>

Dear respected members,

 

Thiruvembavai is not in the vaishnavaite literature at all.

 

it is written by saivaite nayanmar(Manikka vachakar?) exactly as in the

same lines of tiruppavai of Sri.Andal on Siva.

 

it also deals about the paavai nonbu aspect , but on saivaite bakthi .

 

 

 

Regards

 

K.M.Narayanan

 

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Sri K.M. Narayanan wrote:

> Thiruvembavai is not in the vaishnavaite literature at all.

> it is written by saivaite nayanmar(Manikka vachakar?) exactly as in the

> same lines of tiruppavai of Sri.Andal on Siva.

> it also deals about the paavai nonbu aspect , but on saivaite bakthi .

 

Tiruvembaavai is by the Saiva saint Maanikka vaacakar, as stated

above. Maanikka vaacakar's time period is dated by scholars

as being two or three centuries after Andal. He is also well after

the three primary Tamil Saiva saints, Appar, Sundarar, and

Jnana Sambandhar. After him, in the Tamil Saiva tradition,

the mudhal moovar (first three) became naalvar or four.

 

I am no Tamil scholar, but it seems to me that Maanikka

vaacakar was very much influenced by the poetic themes of

the Divya Prabandham. He composed a Tiruppalliezhucci

on the same lines as Tondar-adi-podi Alvar, ending each

verse with the same refrain as the latter, "emberumaan

paLLi ezhundhu aruLaayE". But perhaps this was a common

refrain used in sangam court poetry in honor of kings.

 

Maanikka vaacakar's Tiruvembaavai is only 20 verses, and

is similar to Andal's Tiruppaavai. However, the "paavai

nonbu" theme suffers a bit in his work, in my opinion.

In Saivism, there is no tradition analogous to the

gopikAs of Brindavana who did penance to achieve union

with Krishna. Therefore, Maanikka vaacakar makes the

women of his poem perform the nonbu to attain Siva-bhaktas

as their husbands. This to me is a little contrived,

and indicates that the saint wanted to compose a Saiva

work on the same lines as Andal's Tiruppaavai.

 

One other difference is that Maanikka vaacagar does not

have any introductory verses discussing the nature of the nonbu,

the fruit, etc., straightaway proceeding to wake the lazy

girls up early in the morning to worship Siva. Andal spends

the first five verses of the Tiruppaavai discussing the

reason, nature, and goal of the nonbu.

 

Mani

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Srimate Godaya Namaha

 

Tiruvempavai- a 20 verse composition by Andal is not widely known

as Tiruppavai and Nacchiyar Tirumozhi. as it appear's that discussions

on the works of Sri Andal will dominate this month i request

learned Bhagavathas to shed some light on the above work of Sri Andal

(Tiruvempavai) and outline it"s importance.

 

Thank you

 

adiyen

Venkat S Iyengar

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