Guest guest Posted January 7, 1999 Report Share Posted January 7, 1999 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:55:40 PST Srinath Chakravarty <nallaan sarangap Re: Some thoughts... Again. Ramesh, would you mind posting this on the Bhakti list as I feel this was an enlightening exchange for me? Truly -Srinath >From sarangap Tue Jan 5 17:04:03 1999 >Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:03:59 -0500 (EST) >Ramesh Sarangapani <sarangap >Srinath Chakravarty <nallaan >Re: Some thoughts about the origin of srivaishnavism > > >On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Srinath Chakravarty wrote: > >> Dear fellow members: >> >> One must however, distinguish between vaishnavism and >> SRIvaishnavism, and also consider the aspect of religion versus >> philosophy while discussing this matter. Vaishnavism as a religion has >> Vedic origins, and is also enshrined as a tradition in the >> Vishnu-puranas. Many Hindus from all parts of India and from various >> sects are Vaishnavite by faith, but the distinction of SRIvaishnavaite >> applies only to a particular sect of South Indian Brahmins (referred to >> of course, as iyengar) whose patron saint is Sri. rAmAnujar. > >Dear SrinAtH > >Thanks for your note on the origin of Srivaishnavism. >It was informative and well written. > >From what you wrote, you seem to indicate that although >vaishnavism existed long before Bhasyakarar, "Sri" vaishnavism >was started by him. adiyEN is not quite sure if this >representation is correct. > >The appellation SRI derives from the fact that for this >group of vaisnavas perAtti is the second in line of acharyas. >For all vaishnavas Perumal is the first acharyan (pEthagavadai peran >peranma guruvai nindru). However the second in line will >vary. For SRI vaishnavas it is thayar (Mahalakshmi), for >gaudiya vaishanavas it is the four faced Brahma etc. > >So we _did_ have SRIvaishnavas even before the time of >Sri Ramanujar. Sri Nathamunigal and Sri Alavandar were >infact Srivaishnavas (and considered themselves as Sri >vaishnavas and not a 'general' vaishnava). Among alvars >Perialvar and Goda were Sri vaishnavas and so was >thondaradipodi alvar. Bhasyakarar only placed the >Sri siddhantam on a firm philosophical footing and >did not create this "Sri Vaishnava" sect. Any one >who can trace back his Acharya parampara to SRI is >a SRI vaishnavan. Such people existed long before >Sri Ramanujar. > >This information is based on my limited knowledge. If >adiyEn am wrong, please feel free to correct me. > >daasan >Ramesh > > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 1999 Report Share Posted January 7, 1999 Thanks for your insightful perception of SRIvaishnavism. > >Among alvars > >Perialvar and Goda were Sri vaishnavas and so was > >thondaradipodi alvar. On what consideration may they be choosen from among the 12? What about the rest? Daasan Rangarajan > > Ramesh Sarangapani [sarangap] > Thursday, January 07, 1999 6:50 PM > bhakti > Re: Some thoughts... Again. (fwd) > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:55:40 PST > Srinath Chakravarty <nallaan > sarangap > Re: Some thoughts... Again. > > Ramesh, would you mind posting this on the Bhakti list as I feel > this was an enlightening exchange for me? > > Truly > -Srinath > > > >From sarangap Tue Jan 5 17:04:03 1999 > >Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:03:59 -0500 (EST) > >Ramesh Sarangapani <sarangap > >Srinath Chakravarty <nallaan > >Re: Some thoughts about the origin of srivaishnavism > > > > > >On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Srinath Chakravarty wrote: > > > >> Dear fellow members: > >> > >> One must however, distinguish between vaishnavism and > >> SRIvaishnavism, and also consider the aspect of religion versus > >> philosophy while discussing this matter. Vaishnavism as a > religion > has > >> Vedic origins, and is also enshrined as a tradition in the > >> Vishnu-puranas. Many Hindus from all parts of India and > from various > >> sects are Vaishnavite by faith, but the distinction of > SRIvaishnavaite > >> applies only to a particular sect of South Indian Brahmins > (referred > to > >> of course, as iyengar) whose patron saint is Sri. rAmAnujar. > > > >Dear SrinAtH > > > >Thanks for your note on the origin of Srivaishnavism. > >It was informative and well written. > > > >From what you wrote, you seem to indicate that although > >vaishnavism existed long before Bhasyakarar, "Sri" vaishnavism > >was started by him. adiyEN is not quite sure if this > >representation is correct. > > > >The appellation SRI derives from the fact that for this > >group of vaisnavas perAtti is the second in line of acharyas. > >For all vaishnavas Perumal is the first acharyan (pEthagavadai peran > >peranma guruvai nindru). However the second in line will > >vary. For SRI vaishnavas it is thayar (Mahalakshmi), for > >gaudiya vaishanavas it is the four faced Brahma etc. > > > >So we _did_ have SRIvaishnavas even before the time of > >Sri Ramanujar. Sri Nathamunigal and Sri Alavandar were > >infact Srivaishnavas (and considered themselves as Sri > >vaishnavas and not a 'general' vaishnava). Among alvars > >Perialvar and Goda were Sri vaishnavas and so was > >thondaradipodi alvar. Bhasyakarar only placed the > >Sri siddhantam on a firm philosophical footing and > >did not create this "Sri Vaishnava" sect. Any one > >who can trace back his Acharya parampara to SRI is > >a SRI vaishnavan. Such people existed long before > >Sri Ramanujar. > > > >This information is based on my limited knowledge. If > >adiyEn am wrong, please feel free to correct me. > > > >daasan > >Ramesh > > > > > > > > > ____ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 1999 Report Share Posted January 7, 1999 > On what consideration may they be choosen from among the 12? > What about the rest? All Alvars are Sri Vaishnavas. I am sure this is what Ramesh meant. Anyone who believes that not just Narayana alone but Narayana eternally associated with Lakshmi (Sri) is the supreme goal is a Sri Vaishnava. Nampillai's words from the "eedu" commentary on thiruvaaymozhi: "aaSrayaNa veLaiyOdu bhOgaveLaiyOdu oru mithunamE uddeSyam" At all times, even when we seek refuge, and in their enjoyment of our performing service, Narayana and Sri are forever together. This naturally makes all our Alvars and acharyas Sri Vaishnavas. Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 1999 Report Share Posted January 8, 1999 Dear Rangarajan - In the attempt to correct Sri SrinAtH's misrepresentation, I seem to have caused one of my own :-) You are right in pointing out that all the alvars were Sri Vaishnavas. Give the fact that they are all in fact Ayudham and Abharanam of Sriman Narayana, and have sung hymns exclusively about Tirumal, this becomes a "no brainer". daasan Ramesh On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 Ranga_S1 wrote: > Thanks for your insightful perception of SRIvaishnavism. > > > >Among alvars > > >Perialvar and Goda were Sri vaishnavas and so was > > >thondaradipodi alvar. > > On what consideration may they be choosen from among the 12? > What about the rest? > > Daasan > Rangarajan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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