Re:Kalai .......

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Dear Bhagavathas,

 

In response to Sri. Srinivasan's observation regarding Kalai differences,

Sri. Mani wrote :

>Regarding "rAmAnuja dayA pAtram": this sloka is recited by most

>Sri Vaishnavas who have Vedanta Desika in their acharya

>parampara. By the way, the "rAmAnuja" referred to in this

>sloka is not the famous Ramanujacharya who we all know,

>but Atreya Ramanuja (Kidambi Appullaar), the maternal uncle

>and direct acharya of Vedanta Desika.

 

Saranagati Journal Vol.01.024 11 Oct 1998, states

>2. ACHARYA VAMSA VRIKSHAM- Part 25

>Period I SWAMI DESIKA & HIS TIMES - 5

>Anbil Ramaswamy

>OTHER INCIDENTS IN THE LIFE OF SWAMI

>TANIANS ON SWAMI DESIKA

>(2) Another one was by his disciple Brahma Tantra Swatantra which

says:- " I salute the great Venkata Natha also

>called Vedanta Acharya and Lion among poets and logicians and who was

well adorned by both Knowledge and

>discretion and who well deserved the grace of Srimad Ramanuja":

>"Sri Ramanuja Daya Patram Gnana Vairaghya Bushanam Srimad Venkata

Natharyam Vande Vedanta Desikam"

>Anbil Ramaswamy

 

I guess many of us are under the impression "Srimad Ramanuja" referred here

(and the preceding slokas as well) is indeed Sri Ramanujacharya.

 

Could Sri. Mani / others explain this in more detail and the basis for

concluding that it is indeed Kidambi Apullar and not Sri Ramanujacharya ?

 

 

Regards

Sriram

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Sriram wrote:

>> Sri Ramanuja Daya Patram Gnana Vairaghya Bushanam Srimad Venkata

>> Natharyam Vande Vedanta Desikam

 

[Please note that this taniyan should not have the word "Sri"

prepended to it. The sloka correctly begins only with "Ramanuja ..."

This only furthers my plea to not take anything written on the

Bhakti List is authoritative unless confirmed by a traditional

acharya (NOT someone living in the West), or confirmed by historical

research. ]

> Could Sri. Mani / others explain this in more detail and the basis for

> concluding that it is indeed Kidambi Apullar and not Sri Ramanujacharya ?

 

Sriram,

 

It is a common misunderstanding that the sloka refers to Ramanujacharya

the bhAshyakAra. The best evidence for this is in the Vadagalai saaRRumuRai

itself.

 

The first sloka after the salutations to Sri Ramanuja and Srirangam is

 

namo rAmAnujAryAya vedAntArtha-pradAyine

Atreya padmanAbhAryasutAya guNaSAline

 

This sloka clearly is in honor Ramanuja of Atreya gotra, i.e.,

Kidaambi Appullaar. Immediately following this, we have

 

rAmAnuja dayA pAtram ...

 

Thus Desika is the recipient (as he himself attested to so

many times) of the divya-kaTAksham of Atreya Ramanuja, Kidaambi

Appullaar.

 

For further evidence, we only need look at the "dayA-pAtram"

slokams for Manavala Maamuni and Adi Van Sathakopa Jiyar.

Both of these refer only to the direct acharya of the subject

of the sloka. Clearly all three slokas were written in the

same vein.

 

Of course Desika was also a pAtram for the grace of Bhagavad

Ramanuja -- but he was not unique in that respect, and from

what I have read and feel, this is not the intention of the

sloka.

 

Mani