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Shrimathe Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha!

Shrimathe Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha!

Shri AachAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam!

 

Dear Bhaktaas:

 

NamO NarayanA!

 

Adiyen fully identify with Shri Srinivasan's feelings while reciting

the Charama Sloka. The first person recital has an effect and

for sometime, from the time Adiyen learnt it, Adiyen did not recite it for

the

same reason.

 

However, after the greatest opportunity of performing Samashranam

and the ultimate event of Bharanyasam [saranagathi] Adiyen has started

reciting - as directed by the Lord and HH Shri Azhagiya Singar.

 

However, Adiyen still feels a bit nervous when Adiyen recites the Sloka in

its first

person effect.

 

We should find a way of reciting this - so that it signifies the statement

as the statement from Sriman Narayana himself.

 

Knowledgeable Bhaktaas can let us know if the suggestion by

Shri. Srinivasan is worth considering or a better way is available.

 

Adiyen

Ramanuja dasan

[sampathkumar Anand]

 

NamO NarayanA!

 

Shri AachAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam!

Shrimathe Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha!

Shrimathe Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha!

 

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>Please accept adiyens pranamams.

>Adiyen has a question in relation to Charama slokam. Everytime adiyen

recites it

>(irrespective of the time or place), adiyen feels uncomfortable. This is

>because, the slokam was given in "First Person" by Lord Krishna to Arjuna.

(The

>meaning of this slokam has been well discussed in this and other forums.

So,

>adiyen will not discuss the details). Hence, when adiyen recites it, this

>thought runs through in the mind, as if adiyen is suggesting the concept of

>surrender to Perumal. Adiyen has considered adding a "Sri Bhagavan Uvacha"

>before reciting this sacred slokam, to appreciate and experience this

slokam

>instead of constantly debating the right and wrong of the "First Person"

theory.

>Adiyen is fully aware of the consequences of breaching the general

guidelines

>for this slokam, but being uncomfortable with this present predicament, and

>unable to change one's mind (now that this has ingrained itself well, and

is not

>looking to leave), hence this attempt.

>Adiyen was wondering if other bhagavathas have felt this, or is adiyen

alone in

>this? Also, if there is someone who has felt this way, adiyen would like to

know

>as to how to get over it.

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>Sriman Narayana Thiruvadigale saranam

>adiyen, Ramanuja dasan

>(srinivasan)

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Sri:

 

One needs to have no qualms or fears in reciting the Charma Shlokam.

Why? The Shlokam is Sri Veda Vyasa's report of the conversation which

took place between the Lord Krishna and Arjuna in the Kurukshetra

battlefield. Therefore, all fears of first person recital are unfounded.

Adding prefixes to this sacred Shlokam received through Acharya

Upadesham is disrespectful to Sri Veda Vyasa as well as the Acharya.

 

Namo Narayana,

 

Muralidhar Rangaswamy

 

 

 

 

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Namo NarayanA!

 

thank you very much for this clarification.

 

Ramanuja dasan

[sampathkumar anand]

 

AchAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam!

Shrimate Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha!

Shrimate Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha!

 

 

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>Sri:

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>One needs to have no qualms or fears in reciting the Charma Shlokam.

>Why? The Shlokam is Sri Veda Vyasa's report of the conversation which

>took place between the Lord Krishna and Arjuna in the Kurukshetra

>battlefield. Therefore, all fears of first person recital are unfounded.

>Adding prefixes to this sacred Shlokam received through Acharya

>Upadesham is disrespectful to Sri Veda Vyasa as well as the Acharya.

>

>Namo Narayana,

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>Muralidhar Rangaswamy

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Dear Bhagavatas

 

There is another dimension to the recitation of Charamaslokam with the first

person. I have heard in Kalakshepams that it is a subtle way of reminding the

Lord by quoting his own solemn promise and inextricable commitment made in

unmistakable terms -

" If you take refuge at MY feet (MAAM EKAM) , I (a big 'I' there)-(AHAM)- I

will grant you (TVAA) Moksha by cleansing you of all sins (SARVA PAAPEBHYO

MOKSHAYISHYAAMI) and his unambiguous reassurance "Do not Grieve"(MAA SUCHA).

 

It is a subtle but picturesque way of reminding his promise, his commitment

and his reassurance - like producing a recorded evidence to remind the Lord

that he cannot go back on his words

 

Did not Andal say - "Vaayil Kaappaane! Manik Kadhavam Thaal Thiravaai! Aayar

Sirumiyaromukku Arai Parai Maayan Manivannan NENNALE VAAI NERNDHAAN" ...

Vaayaal Munnamunnam Maatrathe Ammaa Nee" etc.

 

So, there is nothing wrong for Prapannas (who have surrendered themselves

through Bharanyaasam) in reciting (either aloud or muted) the Charama Slokam

with the first person.

Dasoham

Anbil Ramaswamy

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Shrimathe Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha!

Shrimathe Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha!

Shri AachAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam!

 

Dear Bhaktaas:

 

NamO NarayanA!

 

Dvadasi parayanam and Ekadasi vratam are given a lot of importance

in our sampradayam.

 

I also came to learn that we should not go to temples after eating food.

My doubt is if we have to go to temples on the day of dvadasi, what should

we do?

 

Here in Simhapuri we go to the temple every saturday and chant slokas

from 9:00 to 11:00 am. Some saturdays happen to be Dvadasi's. So, is it O.K

if we do our parayanam around 12:00 after returning from the temple?

 

I heard having Thiru Thulai Theertham early in the morning on the day of

dvadasi

is equal to doing Parayanam. But my doubt is, we follow ekadasi Vratam and

not uppavasam.

Even in that case can Thiru Thulai Theertham be had and is it equal to

parayanam?

 

If any of the Bhaktaas can throw light it would be helpful.

 

Praveena nAmine Ramanuja dAsi

 

NamO NarayanA!

 

Shri AachAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam!

Shrimathe Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha!

Shrimathe Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha!

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