Guest guest Posted February 1, 1999 Report Share Posted February 1, 1999 Shrimathe Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha! Shrimathe Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha! Shri AachAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam! Dear Bhaktaas: NamO NarayanA! Adiyen fully identify with Shri Srinivasan's feelings while reciting the Charama Sloka. The first person recital has an effect and for sometime, from the time Adiyen learnt it, Adiyen did not recite it for the same reason. However, after the greatest opportunity of performing Samashranam and the ultimate event of Bharanyasam [saranagathi] Adiyen has started reciting - as directed by the Lord and HH Shri Azhagiya Singar. However, Adiyen still feels a bit nervous when Adiyen recites the Sloka in its first person effect. We should find a way of reciting this - so that it signifies the statement as the statement from Sriman Narayana himself. Knowledgeable Bhaktaas can let us know if the suggestion by Shri. Srinivasan is worth considering or a better way is available. Adiyen Ramanuja dasan [sampathkumar Anand] NamO NarayanA! Shri AachAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam! Shrimathe Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha! Shrimathe Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha! bhakti-errors <bhakti-errors bhakti <bhakti 02 February 1999 12:58 Digest bhakti.v003.n251 > >+ SrI: >+ SrI SrInivAsa parabrahmaNE nama: >+ AzhvAr tiruvaDigaLE SaraNam; emberumAnAr tiruvaDigaLE SaraNam >+ dEsikan tiruvaDigaLE SaraNam; jIyar tiruvaDigaLE SaraNam > >This is the digest for the Bhakti mailing list, dedicated >to discussions of Sri Vaishnavism and Visishtadvaita Vedanta. >Please use this list to engage in informal dialogue with >others interested in these topics. This group is meant >for personal enrichment -- please feel free to ask ponderous >questions and share your opinions in the spirit of learning >from one another. > >See the end of this message to find out how to and >post to the list. > > >-------------- BEGIN bhakti.v003.n251 -------------- > > 001 - Anita Shanker <ashanker@b - Hello... > 002 - vasan - Question on charam slokam > >--------------- MESSAGE bhakti.v003.n251.1 --------------- > >Anita Shanker <ashanker >Hello... >Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:48:07 -0500 (EST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Hello, my name is Anita Shanker and I am new to this forum. Let me give a >brief introduction of myself. > >I am a graduate student of the University of North Carolina studying >Biostatistics. I grew up in states, but my family is highly religious and >so my roots in Hinduism are deep. The last few years have been rough for >me, so I've been questioning many things and surprisingly God has seen me >through these things though my faith was wavering at times. I recently >came back from India and my faith and need for spirituality is deeper than >ever. Hinduism is so vast that there wasn't any one philosophy that was >close to mine. Then I started to read about Andal and my heart jumped up >for joy because her writings and her life were so inspiring and I could >relate to them. I was so happy to find the sri vaisanava home page and >this mailing list. I am looking forward to what everyone has to say! > >Anita > > > > >--------------- MESSAGE bhakti.v003.n251.2 --------------- > >vasan >Question on charam slokam >Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:41:45 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline > >Please accept adiyens pranamams. >Adiyen has a question in relation to Charama slokam. Everytime adiyen recites it >(irrespective of the time or place), adiyen feels uncomfortable. This is >because, the slokam was given in "First Person" by Lord Krishna to Arjuna. (The >meaning of this slokam has been well discussed in this and other forums. So, >adiyen will not discuss the details). Hence, when adiyen recites it, this >thought runs through in the mind, as if adiyen is suggesting the concept of >surrender to Perumal. Adiyen has considered adding a "Sri Bhagavan Uvacha" >before reciting this sacred slokam, to appreciate and experience this slokam >instead of constantly debating the right and wrong of the "First Person" theory. >Adiyen is fully aware of the consequences of breaching the general guidelines >for this slokam, but being uncomfortable with this present predicament, and >unable to change one's mind (now that this has ingrained itself well, and is not >looking to leave), hence this attempt. >Adiyen was wondering if other bhagavathas have felt this, or is adiyen alone in >this? Also, if there is someone who has felt this way, adiyen would like to know >as to how to get over it. > >Sriman Narayana Thiruvadigale saranam >adiyen, Ramanuja dasan >(srinivasan) > > > > >--------------- END bhakti.v003.n251 --------------- > > >Administrative requests (/, etc.) are >handled automatically by sending mail to: > >+ bhakti-request > >Send a message containing the word "help" (no quotes) to >this address for more information. > >The address to send postings to this list is: > >+ bhakti > >Hitting the REPLY key on your mail reader may *not* >be enough. Please verify the address before you send >your message. > >List articles are archived on the Web at > >+ http://www.best.com/~mani/sv/bhakti/archives > >If you are having problems, you can send me email at >mani. > >+ SrImate rAmAnujAya nama: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 1999 Report Share Posted February 1, 1999 Sri: One needs to have no qualms or fears in reciting the Charma Shlokam. Why? The Shlokam is Sri Veda Vyasa's report of the conversation which took place between the Lord Krishna and Arjuna in the Kurukshetra battlefield. Therefore, all fears of first person recital are unfounded. Adding prefixes to this sacred Shlokam received through Acharya Upadesham is disrespectful to Sri Veda Vyasa as well as the Acharya. Namo Narayana, Muralidhar Rangaswamy ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 1999 Report Share Posted February 2, 1999 Namo NarayanA! thank you very much for this clarification. Ramanuja dasan [sampathkumar anand] AchAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam! Shrimate Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha! Shrimate Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha! muralidhar rangaswamy <rangaswamy_m may2192 <may2192; bhakti <bhakti 02 February 1999 23:03 Re: Digest bhakti.v003.n251 >Sri: > >One needs to have no qualms or fears in reciting the Charma Shlokam. >Why? The Shlokam is Sri Veda Vyasa's report of the conversation which >took place between the Lord Krishna and Arjuna in the Kurukshetra >battlefield. Therefore, all fears of first person recital are unfounded. >Adding prefixes to this sacred Shlokam received through Acharya >Upadesham is disrespectful to Sri Veda Vyasa as well as the Acharya. > >Namo Narayana, > >Muralidhar Rangaswamy > > > > >____ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 1999 Report Share Posted February 3, 1999 Dear Bhagavatas There is another dimension to the recitation of Charamaslokam with the first person. I have heard in Kalakshepams that it is a subtle way of reminding the Lord by quoting his own solemn promise and inextricable commitment made in unmistakable terms - " If you take refuge at MY feet (MAAM EKAM) , I (a big 'I' there)-(AHAM)- I will grant you (TVAA) Moksha by cleansing you of all sins (SARVA PAAPEBHYO MOKSHAYISHYAAMI) and his unambiguous reassurance "Do not Grieve"(MAA SUCHA). It is a subtle but picturesque way of reminding his promise, his commitment and his reassurance - like producing a recorded evidence to remind the Lord that he cannot go back on his words Did not Andal say - "Vaayil Kaappaane! Manik Kadhavam Thaal Thiravaai! Aayar Sirumiyaromukku Arai Parai Maayan Manivannan NENNALE VAAI NERNDHAAN" ... Vaayaal Munnamunnam Maatrathe Ammaa Nee" etc. So, there is nothing wrong for Prapannas (who have surrendered themselves through Bharanyaasam) in reciting (either aloud or muted) the Charama Slokam with the first person. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 1999 Report Share Posted February 25, 1999 Shrimathe Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha! Shrimathe Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha! Shri AachAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam! Dear Bhaktaas: NamO NarayanA! Dvadasi parayanam and Ekadasi vratam are given a lot of importance in our sampradayam. I also came to learn that we should not go to temples after eating food. My doubt is if we have to go to temples on the day of dvadasi, what should we do? Here in Simhapuri we go to the temple every saturday and chant slokas from 9:00 to 11:00 am. Some saturdays happen to be Dvadasi's. So, is it O.K if we do our parayanam around 12:00 after returning from the temple? I heard having Thiru Thulai Theertham early in the morning on the day of dvadasi is equal to doing Parayanam. But my doubt is, we follow ekadasi Vratam and not uppavasam. Even in that case can Thiru Thulai Theertham be had and is it equal to parayanam? If any of the Bhaktaas can throw light it would be helpful. Praveena nAmine Ramanuja dAsi NamO NarayanA! Shri AachAryan Thiruvadigale Saranam! Shrimathe Seetha Ramachandra Parabrahmane Namaha! Shrimathe Lakshmi Narasimha Parabrahmane Namaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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