Origin of jivas

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Dear BhAgavatas,

namO namah.I don't to the view that JIvas are

fallen souls from Vaikuntha.Lord KrishNa guarantees in SrImadbhagavadgItA

that those who reach his eternal ebode will never fall from their exalted

position.In Vaikuntham,there is no room for the false ego of the

JIvas.only realised souls go there.If JIvas come back even from Vaikuntha,

then there must be some other place which can be called the

paralOkam(abode of some other deity superior to ananta-Infinite Lord-

which is ridiculous),

from where there will be no punarAvrutti,to which no VaishnNava agrees

and which is untrue according to Vedic literature.also this is in contrast

with Lord's promises in rAmAyaNa and BhagavadgItA that He will always take

care of those who surrender unto Him.so what i feel is that no mukta comes

from Vaikuntha unless the Lord sends him on some mission(like ALwArs).

 

I have written all this by simple logic.Learned SrI VaishNava

members can always kindly correct me and explain the things.

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Forwarded by Jagan Mohan R. Naidu <jagan

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Jagan Mohan R. Naidu <jagan

V.Srimahavishnu <vsri

Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:21:34 +0300

Re: Origin of jivas

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Dear Bhaktas,

This is a very intricate point that has been a subject of many a

controversial debates in the ISKCON world.

Not long ago, I read a book 'even leaves do not fall in Vaikuntha' by a

ISKCON author.The book 'Our Original Position' is a answer (or a

opposing sequel) to the "even leaves...' book.

 

The theory of 'Fallen Souls' or the transition from perfectness to

imperfectness and return to perfectness by the way of life on Earth is

central to Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam).

Both Aryan Vedic and Aryan non-vedic religions agree that the universe

is originless and so are the souls. It is only a semetic idea that Man

was once with God and due to selfishness and egoism that is first

attributed to the biblican Lucifer or Satan (Iblis of Jinns in the Quran)

and the disobedience of the First Man (and woman) that lead to the FALL

of Man from the Eternal Garden (Eden) to Earth.

 

I agree with Sri Krishna Kalale that SriRamanujacharya has been

misquoted in the 'Our Original Position' book and with SriSrimahavishnu

that even common sense tells us : its not possible that Vaikuntha can be

such a 'unsafe' place from where we can fall...... and after all if

there is a chance that we might fall again, whats the use of trying to

achieve Vaikuntha for maybe a 'temporary' period? The World might seem

to be the the permanent adode for souls in that case !! ridiculous

thinking:)!

 

Adiyen Jagan

 

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:54:16 +0530 (IST)

"V.Srimahavishnu" <vsri wrote: