Guest guest Posted March 18, 1999 Report Share Posted March 18, 1999 Sri !! Sri Mathe Ramanujaya Namah !! Sri Mathe BAla Dhanvhi Maha Guruvae Namah !! Respected devotees, There are lot thounght sharing about the origin of the Jiva. adiyen would like submit his thoungts the same for correction by the blessed members of this list. In the first place, the jiva itself is meant as an object of enjoyment of Sri mann Narayanan. This Sriman Narayanan is the abode of infinite auspicious qualites( nitya kalayana gunas). He enjoys some of these kalayana gunas through us the jivas. Of the infinite kalyana gunas, his parattvam(completeness in all qualities, gunas) is displayed in Sri Vaikuntam. But there his Vatsalyam is supressed. Why??. Vatsalyam is that guna of Emperuman where he unconditionally accepts our service, even if it is full of offenses. Infact he accepts as service even such acts meant to offend him. But in Sri Vaikuntam all jivas are fully aware of his divine qualites and there is no place for them to commit offenses. If there are no offenses how come our Emperuman enjoy his Vatsalyam?? So Emperuman, manifests some jivas, makes them forget their essential nature(servitude to Sri mann Narayanan) and hence undergo tortures of samsaram. Then he himself gives the knowledge about him, by saying you were germ is dust touched by the thiruvadi of my devotee in you previous birth, and hence you are purified. Giving knowledege about him, Emperuman also becomes an archa at temples and accepts the faulty service of such jivas and finally takes to Sri Vaikuntam under the pretext of such faulty service done on to him and his pure devotees. This way does he not enjoy his Vatsalyam ??. Azhwar says that pushing us into samsara and again getting is back home( at Sri Vaikuntam) is again for his enjoyment about which we have no say and should accept it unconditionally. Can we say this is akin to a mother pinching a child, making it cry bitterly, again the mother feeling sorrowed for making the child cry, then consoling the child herself, making the child happy once more. Maybe it increases the unconditional mutual love between the mother and child...... Adiyen Aravinda Lochanana Ramanuja Dasan Azhwar Emperumar JIyer thiruvadhighalae charanam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 1999 Report Share Posted March 19, 1999 >So Emperuman, manifests some jivas, makes them forget their essential >nature(servitude to Sri mann Narayanan) and hence undergo tortures of >samsaram. Then he himself gives the knowledge about him, by saying you were >germ is dust touched by the thiruvadi of my devotee in you previous birth, >and hence you are purified. Giving knowledege about him, Emperuman also >becomes an archa at temples and accepts the faulty service of such jivas and >finally takes to Sri Vaikuntam under the pretext of such faulty service done >on to him and his pure devotees. This way does he not enjoy his Vatsalyam >??. > >Azhwar says that pushing us into samsara and again getting is back home( at >Sri Vaikuntam) is again for his enjoyment about which we have no say and >should accept it unconditionally. If the karma of the jiivas is beginningless, does this not also imply that their existence and bondage are also beginningless? Perhaps I misunderstood, but when you mentioned "pushing us into samsara" and "back home( at Sri Vaikuntam)" I got the impression that you felt the jiivas were in Vaikuntam before samsaara -- but that is precisely what I thought the Shri Vaishnavas do not accept. Samsaara must be beginningless, and it could not have been the case that the jiivas were in Vaikuntam at any time unless they are already liberated (in which case they never fall again). comments? -- K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 1999 Report Share Posted March 19, 1999 About whether the Lord would intentionally push muktas back into samsAra, Sri Aravind wrote: > Can we say this is akin to a mother pinching a child, making it cry > bitterly, again the mother feeling sorrowed for making the child cry, then > consoling the child herself, making the child happy once more. Maybe it > increases the unconditional mutual love between the mother and child...... What a cruel God / mother this is! Would such a God inspire devotion? Does this describe a God full of grace? I think not. In the U.S., such a mother would be thrown in jail for child abuse. Thankfully, Sri Ramanuja's philosophy does not contain such an absurd (and wicked) doctrine of God! rAmAnuja dAsan Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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