Guest guest Posted May 11, 1999 Report Share Posted May 11, 1999 srimathE raamaanNujaaya nama: >For example, how many brahmins do you know in this country who perform "aupAsana"? How many do the >Panca-mahA-yajna? How many actively do veda-adhyayana, with correct svara and pronunciation? Zero. Yet all these are >absolutely required of a brahmin and were practiced by many brahmins as recently as a 100 years. And the opinion of the >traditional acharyas was that people who did not perform these rituals were in no way fit to be called brahmins. One need >only look at the 'Ahnika' and 'dinacaryA' texts of our pUrvAcAryas to see what a real brahmin lifestyle was like. So it is >foolhardy to think that people can live in this country, go to work, and still maintan a lifestyle as befits a brahmin. Sriman Mani, After reading your posting on Saturday (v.003.n.365) about modern day brahmins, I get a message that it is very rare to see a brahmin who still maintains rituals like "aupAsana etc.( I also feel that you are upset about this!). I have few doubts to ask. If they are not part of the flow of the discussions , I will be very grateful if you can kindly send me a separate e-mail. Should we not see the relevance of the practices and rituals with respect to the Time Period and the context people lived in the past and the time period we are living in. In those days, when science and technology was not well developed, few rituals and practices were there which are now seen with lot of scientific relevance. They were assigned to the Brahmins( Roles were clearly defined in those days). Scientifically it is known that the smoke out of yagams and yagjams performed in the agni with ghee were catalytic to induce rain; Apasthambam ( part of parisHEshanam ) was done to prevent insects and ants coming on the plates or leaves while eating etc. as in those days the floorings were mostly muddy. So, isn't that the rituals need changes as we progress in time and science. If we are to strictly adhere all these rituals from the "rule book", virtually, as you pointed out, except few, presently , we do not have anyone who would qualify as brahmins strictly. Or, alternatively, is there a scope for redefining the rituals of brahmins? How does one prescribe the rituals and practices for brahmins to follow taking the present time since the roles of brahmins are mixed up? Theoretically, aren't we following the previous so many generations' rituals? The rituals you are mentioning have been in vogue at some point in time taking into account the value system and other factors prevalent at that time. Several years after our generations, are people expected to stick to the same rituals as we are supposed to follow now? Or, Can they be modified now by us to suit the future changes? Or we are not supposed to touch any of those and leave it to the people to redefine as they go(i.e. Cross the bridge when it comes approach). I will be very grateful if scholars like you, Sri Sadagopan and other scholars throw some light on this. I apologise for any wrong choice fo words or any other apacharams. If you find this point does not have any relevance, kindly keep it off the discussion. adiyEn madhurakavi dhAsan T.A.S.Vijayaraghavan Associate Professor XLRI, Jamshedpur,India Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 Sri T.A.S. Vijayaraghavan wrote: > After reading your posting on Saturday (v.003.n.365) about modern day > brahmins, I get a message that it is very rare to see a brahmin who > still maintains rituals like "aupAsana etc.( I also feel that you are > upset about this!). > Should we not see the relevance of the practices and rituals with > respect to the Time Period and the context people lived in the past and > the time period we are living in. Dear Sri Vijayaraghavan: I completely agree that we need to approach religious practices and rituals with their time period and context in mind. I apologize if I sounded upset about today's brahmins not performing aupAsana; this is not the source of my frustration. I *am* distressed that the tradition of Vedic learning is rapidly dying away, fast being substituted by neo-Vedantic and neo-Vaishnava movements that simply do not study the Vedas in depth, or by a complete disregard for our tradition, both philosophical and ritual. I was mainly irked by the statement that acharya-purushas should have brahma-jnAna (no argument here), and that such brahma-jnAna is pursuant on being a brahmin, which is a consequence of sandhyAvandana, etc., (both assumptions are untrue). There was furthermore the statement that there are brahmins even in America who go to work and perform all these rituals, and who therefore have a right to this status. This is a true misunderstanding of what was required by our tradition of a brahmin. A brahmin is supposed to dedicate his life to learning, particularly Vedic learning. This includes learning some part of his Veda (with proper svara, etc.), daily study of the shastras, imparting it to others after suitable qualification, and performing *all* the daily and occasionaly Vedic worship, according to his ability. SandhyAvandana is the *bare minimum*. Just a few generations ago, the Vaidika lifestyle was more the rule than the exception, unlike today. Nowadays, simply doing sandhyAvandanam (learnt from a book, with wrong svara, etc.) is supposed to reflect a brahminical lifestyle. How far we have fallen. My argument is that the shastras are a two-edged knife. If anyone, including a brahmin, is to have any special privilege (based on tradition or shastras), that someone also has to live up to all their duties as ordained by the shastras. It cuts both ways. Otherwise, if we are to reinterpret the shastras to mean that some rituals are less relevant, the rules for hierarchical privilege and status are subject to reinterpretation as well. namo vedapurushAya, Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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