Quiz from Kalale

[Guest guest]

Dear BhaghavatAs:

 

Adiyen's (a layman's) response to Kalale's quiz. (Incidentally, use of words

like "Adiyen", "layman" etc., makes fellow BhaghavatAs a little more charitable

towards listening to unsophisticated and unscholarly viewpoints like that of

mine)

 

[Krishna Kalale] The quiz is as follows:

 

IF God is both the nimitta and upadana karana He is both the pot and the

potter. He is the created and the created!! If so He himself becomes

this universe after creation.

 

a) If so how is it different from the school of bhaskara "bhedabhedavada"

?

b) how is it different from the school of Yadavaprakasa which also admits

bhedabhedavada ?

c) what is the difference between advaita and visistadvaita regarding the

"abhinna nimittopadana karanatva"( or the aspect that HE is both the

created and the creator?)

 

Please note that this is just to create interest in the readers. THis is

not to show off that adiyen knows the answer. Adiyen only knows how to ask

questions stupid or reasonable!

adiyen Krishna

[Krishna Kalale]

 

 

Let me rephrase the question. If Brahman is the material cause of this universe

and

if Brahman is "changeless", then how does that Brahman change or brings forth

this

universe and draws this universe back to Himself.

 

The answer is - There is no change 'in' Brahaman, but only a change 'of'

Brahman.

This implies that there is no change in the 'Svarupam' or 'inherent nature' of

Brahman which is

charecterized by "satyam, jnyanam and anantham". However, we find that there is

a change in

what is supported and sustained by Him viz. the universe. His 'Sariram'

transforms itself

into this universe and He enters into it, sustains and supports it and stands

apart from it.

Many examples are given to explain the 'internal-relation' between the universe

and Brahman.

 

When we say that everything is Brahman it only implies that there is nothing

independent

of Him and that He supports and controls everything. On the otherhand when we

say that Brahman

stands apart from this universe it implies that Brhaman does not share the

changing and

impermeanent nature of this universe.

 

Since there is only ONE (EkamEva adviteeyam), Brahman is therefore

upAdanA, nimitta karanam etc.

 

The above in short is what Adiyen understands as the VishishtAdavaitic view of

reality.

Please feel to correct me if I am wrong.

 

Thanks.

 

Vijayaraghava Dasan

NY