Guest guest Posted August 5, 1999 Report Share Posted August 5, 1999 Dear BhakthAs : I would like to add a few more points to Sri Mani VaradaraAjan"s posting in the context of the ThiruvAimozhi Paasuram : 4.10.5: viLampumARu samayumum avaiyAhium maRRUm tanpAl aLanthu kaaNdaRkariyanAhiya Aadhip pirAnamarum vaLamkoLL taNNpaNai soozhnthu azhahAya Thirukkukuranai uLamkoLL jn~Anathtu vaimin ummai uyyak koNDu pORilE (meaning): There are six systems religion ranging from totally Vedic to those with different degrees of connection to the VedAs. He became these religions and others , which declare themselves to be based on the VedAs , but are misguided ( Kudhrushti mathams). They shout in shrill tones of logic and get hoarse .None of them can however surpass the greatness of Lord AdhippirAn , who presides over ThirukkuruhUr known for its shady groves . Hold Him (AadhippirAN) deep in Your heart before the external senses ambush you and make you go astray.Holding Him tightly would be the only way to secure your salvation . The six darsanams that NammAzhwAr refers to here have been counted in number of ways to add up to a total of Six : (1) The six religionslisted by AchArya RaamAnujA are Bhouddham , ChArvAkam , NaiyAyka-VaisEshikams of GouthamA , Jainam , Saankhyam and Yogam .These six are also known as Saakhya , ulUkhya , AkshapAtha ,KshapaNa , Kapila and Pathanjali darsanams based on the people , who developed them or wrote commentaries . (2) In another counting , these six are recognized as Saankhyam , Yogam ,Bhouddham ,VaisEshikam ,Jainam and Paasupatham . (3) In yet another counting , these six are : ChArvAkam , Jainam and four types of Bhouddham ( VaibhAshikam and SautrAntikam of HeenayAnam and yOgAchAram and nihilism of MahAyAnam sects). The various darsanams listed above fall into the categories of Naasthika and Aasthika darsanams . The Naasthika darsanams like ChArvAkam ( materialistic atheism as described by Sri Mani VaradarAjan ) , Buddhism and Jainism are systems of thought that do not accept the authority of the VedAs and deny the tattvams such as Soul (Jevan ) and God (Isvaran ), which Aasthika mathams accept as fundamental to their beliefs .Naasthika mathams are called Veda Baahya mathams and the Aasthika Mathams are saluted as Vaidhika Mathams . The six Aasthika mathams are: NyAya , VaisEshika ,Saankhya , Yoga , MimAmsa and VEDHAANTHA darsanams . Around 1000 A.D , the NyAyA and vaisEshikA systems came together and became amalgamated into one system.There is not much of a difference between them now. Even among the set of six Aasthika mathams , there are different degrees of acceptance of the VedAs . NyAya , VaisEshika , Saankhya and YogA have admitted the validity of the VedAs in a tangential way , while staking their claims to be aasthika mathams.The MimAmsA and the VedAnthA are the truly Aasthika mathams . Swami Desikan describes at great length these darsanams and their deficencies and sufficencies in His Paramatha Bhangam , Tattva muktha kalApam and its commentary , SarvArtha siddhi. Swami Desikan thoroughly evaluates these darsanams to establish the unimpeachable doctrines of Sri VisihtAdvaidham over all the other darsanams . Among the mathams rooted in VedAntham , there are many such as Adhvaitham of SankarA , Dhvaitham of MaadhvAchArya , VisishtAdhvaitham of Naathamuni-AalavandhAr-RaamAnujA-Vadakku Thiruveethi PiLLai-ApuLLAr -Swami Desikan ,SuddhAdhvaitham of VallabhAchAryA , BhEdhAbhEdham , DhvaidhAdhvaitham of Nimbarkar et al. Among these VedAthantha darsanams , VisishtAdhvaitham , Dhvaitham , SuddhAdhvaitham and dhvaithAdhvaitham accept a personal God in the form of VISHNU . In his SathadhUshaNi , Swami Desikan has severely criticized the deficiencies of Adhvaitham with clarity and precision .Swami Desikan dealt in great detail about the untenability of key doctrines of Adhvaitham in one of his magnum opus , Tattva Muktha kalApA and focused on proving the untenability of these Adhvaithic concepts: (1) NirguNa Brahmam (2) nature of nescience (avidhyA) (3) anivarchanIyakhyAti (4) AkhaNDArtha Vaadham and (5) Illusory nature of the world.Swami used the teachings of AchArya RaamAnujA in Sri Bhaashyam and its commentary , Srutha PrakAsikA in constructing his irrefutable arguments . Swami Desikan went on to correct the misreadings of the NyAya and MeemAmsa darsanams that were prevalent and established their compatibility with VisishtAdhvaic doctrines in his Sri Sookthis known as NyAya parisudhdi , NyAya SiddhAnkjanam , SEsvara MeemAmsA . In the first two Sri Sookthis , Swami travelled on the path pointed out by AchArya Naathamuni in his Sri Sookthi, NyAya tattvam . In that classic Sri Sookthi , AchArya Naathamuni recast the NyAyA darsanam to suit the needs of VisishtAdhvaitham . Swami Desikan refined the presentation of the NyAyA system by AkshapAdhA ;in NyAya SiddhAnjanam , Swami Desikan clarified the metaphysical concepts of VaisEshikA system in the light of VisishtAdhvaitham . In SEsvara MimAmsA , Swami Desikan showed that the Poorva MimAmsa SoothrAs of Jaimini is in harmony with the Brahma soothrAs of BaadarAyaNA .He rejected the view that PoorvamimAmsA was opposed to Uttara MimAmsA or VedAnthA .Swami established that MimAmsA is a unitary Saasthram (Yeka Saasthram ) in two parts (Poorva and Uttara ). The greatness of the Swami Desikan's contributions is very evident in the Para matha Bhangam created in front of Sri DevanAtha PerumAL on the banks of Garuda nathi in the environs of ThiriuvahIdhrapuram to defend Sri VisishtAdhvaitham as the soundest among all VedAntha darsanams . Swami Desikan ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam , Daasan , Oppiliappan Koil Varadachari Sadagopan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 Namaste. > Buddhism and Jainism are systems of >thought that do not accept the authority of the VedAs and deny >the tattvams such as Soul (Jevan ) and God (Isvaran ), which I think that though both Buddhism and Jainism do not accept the authority of the Vedas, Jainism believes in Soul (AtmA) unlike Buddhism. Like Sankhya, they believe that there are multiple Atmans and the Tirthankaras are liberated souls, but they strongly reject a creator-God. Regards, Ganesh. FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 1999 Report Share Posted August 7, 1999 Dear Sri Ganesh Panchapagesan : Thanks very much for your note below : At 02:51 PM 8/6/99 -0400, you wrote: V.Sadagopan said : >> Buddhism and Jainism are systems of >>thought that do not accept the authority of the VedAs and deny >> the tattvams such as Soul (Jevan ) and God (Isvaran ), In response Sri GP wrote : >I think that though both Buddhism and Jainism do not accept the authority of >the Vedas, Jainism believes in Soul (AtmA) unlike Buddhism. Like Sankhya, >they believe that there are multiple Atmans and the Tirthankaras are >liberated souls, but they strongly reject a creator-God. The VisidhtAdvaithic doctrines on Jivans differ significantly from that of the Jain views : VisishtAdvaitham : (1)Jivan is an eternal spiritual entity and is distinct from Isvaran. (2)Even in the state of MokshA , it retains its individuality. (3)They are of Jn~ana svarUpam and are infinite in number (4) It is monadic in substance (aNu). (5) It is the agent of action, and the enjoyer of the pleasure . It is therefore karthA and BhOktha. Jain Theory of Jivans: Although the Jains believe in souls ( Jeevans ) , their view conflicts with the VisishtAdvaithin views of Jeevans and the AchAryAs of VisishtAdhvaitham have proven the invalidity of the jain views based on Upanishads, VedAntha SuthrAs and Bhagavdh GitA . The first objection is about the Jain's view that JivA is the size of the body , which it occupies . This is against the aNu size of Jivans recognized by VisishtAdvaithins.The Jains' view of sthulA aspect of the Jeevan as opposed to the atomic character is fraught with grave errors in Swami Desikan's view . Jains argue that the Jivan is in all parts of the body . The experience of pain in the arm and happiness in the head are arguments advanced by Jains that Jivan is the size of the body . There are thus fat jeevans , tall jeevans et al in this Jain view . Imagine the calamity.If the Jivan of the Jain conception breaks its leg or arm , then the Jivan is broken up into parts .This is untenable for the Vedanthic view. We believe in the aNU size in unliberated state and Vibhu (all pervasive). Jains believe that the Jeevan in the Mukthi state attains a body of finite size. Further ,for the Jains ,Mukthi is a continous upward movement of towards the higher region .Thi sleads on to other problems . These inaccuracies are based on the erroneous conception that the sariram is aathman( Jeevan ). We also differ with the Jains in the concept of SabdhA , Sadhanaa and Mukthi .The treatment of karmA and its effect on the Jeevans is quite different from the VisishtAdvaithin view and have been rejecte soundly by Swami Desikan and his purvAchAryAs . The theerthankara concept is also not accepted by us. There are 24 prophets in Jianism , who are like boatmen to ferry us across the river of transmigration . They are the projected ones who lead the way to liberation . They start form Rishabha Deva and end with VardhamAna MahAVirA , coeveal to Goutham Buddha's time . Those would be separate discussions. V.Sadagopan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 1999 Report Share Posted August 9, 1999 Dear Sri Sadagopan, Thank you for your informative comparison between the views of Jainism and Vishishtadvaitam on jIva, etc. Regards, Ganesh. FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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