re; smallclarification-- Mani & Anand's discussion

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SrimAn Mani varadarajan & Anand Karallapakkam

 

Please permit adiyen to interject in your interesting

dialogue regarding the following that you two wrote:

 

But, during the rAma avatAram, everyone at AyOdhya

> were taken to the vibhava lOkam called

> SaantAnika lOkam (rAma lOkam), from where those

> jIvAtmAs performed either bhakti Or Prapatti to

> attain moksham (ie. This is what meant by statements

> like "everyone at ayOdhya attained moksham" ; Here,

> the time frame is not specified; It implies the

"krama> mukti" <stage by stage mukti ?> and not direct

mukti to > Sri VaikunTHam).

 

(Mani's reply:

I am sure you say this because some scholar has told

youthis, but frankly, such a conclusion strikes me as

being completely unwarranted and at variance with the

texts and early commentaries. Why posit an intervening

"loka"when none is mentioned? )

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On this subject adiyen has following view which you

may please also consider:

 

When Bharatha went to Chitrakootam to persuade Rama to

return to the Kingdom we know that all of Ayodhya went

along with him... courtiers, nobles, priests,

brahmins, sages, Vasishta, merchants, philosophers,

traders, farmers, the commonweal...

>From the general drift of Valmiki's story we also

easily gather that such a great entourage from Saketa

rallied behind Bharatha in the march to the forest in

the clear hope that the younger brother would succeed

in his mission. All of Ayodhya that day wanted to lend

full support, both physical and moral, to Bharatha in

his efforts to make Rama change his mind and return to

the throne of Ayodhya. Bharatha in fact had hoped that

it would be possible to perform the coronation of Rama

at Chitrakoota itself rather than return all the way

to Ayodhya-palace to complete the anointing of

SriRamachandra as King.

 

"sa kaTham pAla-ishyAmi Bhoomim bhavati tish-ta-thi

bhavatA cha vinAbhootO na vartayitu-mutsahE I

 

ihaiva tvAbhishinchantu sarvA: prakrutayaha saha

kritvijaha savishtAshcha mantravanmantra-kOvidAh: II"

(Srimad Valmiki Ramayanam II 106.24-27)

 

Bharatha tells Rama, "I have brought everything from

the capital of Ayodhya. I have brought all the women

of the land (in Tamil, "thai-kulam"!). I have brought

all the gurus. Vasishta is here. I have brought all

the 'samagris' necessary for your 'abisheka'. The army

is here. The minstrels are here.. musical instruments

are here...all things are here.. All priests are here.

The men who know the Vedas from one end to the other

are here. Who else do you want? It is my intention to

have you crowned here. Take it. Let me anoint you king

here and now!".

 

So from the above passages of the Ramayana it is clear

that virtually "everything in Saketa" was present

there at Chitrakoota when Bharatha performed his

"saranAgathi" to Lord Rama and consecrated the

"paduka", the Lord's sandals.

 

All of Saketa, Bharatha's subjects, also witnessed him

perform "nyAsa" to Lord Rama.

 

"eta-drAjyam mama bhrAtrA datham san-nyAsa-vatsvayam

yOgakshEmavahE tasya pAdukE hEmabhushitE I"

(II.115.14)

 

"Rama is still King", Bharatha tells the assembled

citizenry of Ayodhya there, "He has only deposited the

kingdom and all of you to me in trust. I am only a

trustee.The ownership is all with Him only! The

"paduka" I am carrying, they are actually King!"

 

Bharatha used the word "nyAsA" and it is clear that he

wanted his entourage to know that not only had he

surrendered himself to Rama but in the very act he had

also surrendered all of them too! In other words,

Bharatha had performed "nyAsa" for all of Saketa!

>From the above, it is therefore very clear, that when

the time came for the conclusion of Rama avatara, it

was only but natural that all of Saketa too became

eligible for passage with Rama to "parama-padam"

solely on the strenth of the "nyasa" that had been

performed on their behalf by Bharata.

 

Sir, what are you two learned bhAgavatas thinking

about the above view? Is it credible? (It is not my

view but what adiyen learnt from another learned

friend.)

 

dAsan,

Sampathkumaran

 

 

 

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