Guest guest Posted January 3, 2000 Report Share Posted January 3, 2000 Sirs, In adiyen's post on the above subject there is a typo error in the preliminary passage. "Stanza#21" should read as "Stanza#19". Sorry for the error. dAsan, Sampathkumaran Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2000 Report Share Posted January 4, 2000 --- Ramanbil wrote: > Dear Sri Sampathkumar > A bhagavata has asked why when "panchasayanam' > included 'softness', Andal > uses an apparently redundant expression "methenra".> Can you throw some light > on this? > Dasoham > Anbil Ramaswamy Dear Anbil Swamin, Really very good question! And adiyen confesses he has no weighty answer. But adiyen would venture to speculate that Andal felt the need to introduce a redundant adjective like "metthenra" because perhaps even in those days mattresses came in different grades of quality! In the present day, for example, you may be familiar with housewives exclaiming "thickku "pAl"'... meaning that milk is thick. Real milk is always thick (unless the cow is diseased or "mad" or both!) and ordinarily, it would be redundant to qualify it with the adjective "thickku" that housewives are always so fond of appending. Nevertheless, Sir, if 'devarir' has any further light to throw on this matter adiyen would be delighted to know. Our enjoyment of "tiruppAvai" will be only enhanced by these little poetic tid-bits! Since yours is a very,very interesting question adiyen is also taking the liberty to post it on the list to see if anyone else can come up with some interesting information. Regards, dAsan, Sampathkumaran Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2000 Report Share Posted January 4, 2000 --- Sridhar Srinivasan <ss wrote: >> I am surprised that (Sri.Sampathkumar's)perusal of vyAkhyAnams and > commentaries of > pundits and Acharyas (that he constantly reference) > did not unearth > the reasoning for the application of 'methenra'. In > fact, swami > periyavAchchAn piLLai, whose vyAkhyAnam you detailed > in a rather > colorful manner yesterday, does mention the > application of > reinforced mardavatvam in kuthuviLakkeriya.. > vyAkhyAnam. > > In the swApadeShartham (the inner meaning) provided > by Suddhasatvam > doDDAchAr (of the suthaprakAshika fame) about > panchasayanathin > refering to artha panchaka gnyAnam, there is a > preceding reference > to "methenra" as follows: > > sEshatvAdi kartrutvarAhityathAlE mrudhuvAna > arthapanchakagnyAnam - > shuddha sattva mayama irukkaradhu > > meaning, the reinforced mardavatvam refers to - the > recognition of > ananyArha sEshatvam, ananya sharaNatvam et al, as > well as avoidance > of kartrutva buddhi - as qualities that provide the > underpinning for > arthapanchaka gnyAnam - these qualities that > provide the additional > pakkvam (softness, if you will) to lead to a state > of essential > sattvam - hence methenra pancha sayanam. > Dear Sri.Sridhar swamin, Thank you for enlightening me on the above. Adiyen did not know about it earlier. Forgive adiyen his ignorance as he is not well-versed in Sri.PVP's "vyAkhyAna" which evidently 'devarir' is. It is really very nice of you to have taken the trouble to point out the relevant portions from PVP's grantham. Adiyen learnt something new today, thanks to you and the bhakti-list. Very grateful, Sir. > There is hardly a need for us to exercise our > limited (I speak for > yours truly and others of my ilk here) capabilities> to come up with > 'speculative' and often questionable> interpretations. We just have > to make the effort to seek guidance from the wealth > of material that > is already available. And our Acharya paramparai is> kindness > epitomized - as AnDAL celebrates in 'ninaithu mulai> vazhiyE ninRu pAl > sOra' and "mARRadhE pAl soriyum vALLal perum > pasukkaL' - they have > given us all that we need and more. We just have to> make the effort > to not turn away from their grace. Sir, Thank you, in addition, for the above sermon (or "gratuitous advice"?) too you have given. Regards, Sampathkumaran Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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