Guest guest Posted April 24, 2000 Report Share Posted April 24, 2000 Dear friends, The Chandogya Upanishad referring to the creation of the universe says that this was `sat' alone which is one only without a second. sad-eva saumya idam agra AsIt ekam eva advitIyam This Ramanuja interprets as saying that during dissolution chit and achit exist in their subtle form. And Brahman with chit and achit in their subtle form can be described as `one without a second' On the other hand, we have the nitya-suris who have been in Vaikuntha for ever irrespective of the state of the universe in its cosmic cycle. They can hardly be said to be unmanifest or in their subtle form. How are these facts reconciled, if reconciliation is needed at all? thanks Kasturi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2000 Report Share Posted April 25, 2000 SrImAn Kasturi, The ChAndogya upanishad refers *only* to the creation of the 'material universe.' That is why the acharya uses the word 'idam,' which means 'this,' referring to the already-manifested universe that the shisya is seeing in front of him. That is why 'sat' alone existed as Iswara along with the unmanifest prakriti and the jeeva at the beginning of *this* kalpa. Note that the creation and dissolution process itself is eternal, so the acharya refers only to this kalpa when he says 'in the beginning.' The 'spiritual universe' consisting of vaikuntham and the nitya and mukta jeevas are *not* to be included in this context, since they do not have any creation or dissolution associated with them. - murali kadambi --- Kasturi Varadarajan <kvaradar wrote: > Dear friends, > The Chandogya Upanishad referring to the > creation of the universe says > that this was `sat' alone which is one only without > a second. > > sad-eva saumya idam agra AsIt ekam eva advitIyam > > This Ramanuja interprets as saying that during > dissolution chit and > achit exist in their subtle form. And Brahman with > chit and achit in their > subtle form can be described as `one without a > second' > > > On the other hand, we have the nitya-suris who > have been in Vaikuntha > for ever irrespective of the state of the universe > in its cosmic cycle. They > can hardly be said to be unmanifest or in their > subtle form. How are these > facts reconciled, if reconciliation is needed at > all? > > thanks > Kasturi > > > > > Send online invitations with Invites. http://invites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2000 Report Share Posted April 25, 2000 There is one more sruthi saying " nasat assetno sataseet ..."(Rg. ved ?) which means"neither sat nor asat was present " ... Scholars please refer to this sruthi also and explain the apparent contradiction. Regards, rajiv On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Kasturi Varadarajan wrote: > Dear friends, > The Chandogya Upanishad referring to the creation of the universe says > that this was `sat' alone which is one only without a second. > > sad-eva saumya idam agra AsIt ekam eva advitIyam > > This Ramanuja interprets as saying that during dissolution chit and > achit exist in their subtle form. And Brahman with chit and achit in their > subtle form can be described as `one without a second' > > > On the other hand, we have the nitya-suris who have been in Vaikuntha > for ever irrespective of the state of the universe in its cosmic cycle. They > can hardly be said to be unmanifest or in their subtle form. How are these > facts reconciled, if reconciliation is needed at all? > > thanks > Kasturi > > > > > > ------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click./1/3139/2/_/716111/_/956683956/ > ------ > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list (AT) eGroups (DOT) com > Visit http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/ for more information > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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