Guest guest Posted May 24, 2000 Report Share Posted May 24, 2000 SrimAn Chakravarty wrote: > I've always wondered why (or how come, rather) > there is such a proliferation of divya sthalams > in the southern part of the Indian subcontinent - > especially when almost all the vibhava avataras > existed in the north. Certainly appears to have > more to do with history than with divinity, > i.e. the revival/evolution of certain religious > traditions during the last two millennia, > coupled with the constant threat of Moslem > invasions after the first millennium A.D. Assuming that "divya sthalam" is synonymous with "divya desam," I do not agree with that conclusion. Just because the sthaLa purANas may be of a later origin and just because the vibhavAvatArams "took place" in North India, there is no valid reason for us to assume that the divya sthaLams of South India are any less "divine," and that they are more "historical" sthaLams than "divya" sthaLams. Several reasons. For one, once prathiTai is done on a vigraha, God starts to inhabit the vigraha just as any svayamvyakta idol or sALagrAma. The vigraha is no less divine. Secondly, according to the pAncarAtra, the arca form of the Lord might precede the vibhavAvatAra of the Lord. Alternatively, his manifestation might be revealed to a devotee much before the actual vibhavAvatAram. I do not have the actual pAsuram of the AzhwAr, but I believe thirumangai AzhwAr has sung on the yet-to-be kalki avatara. Besides, in the ahobila-mutt-managed dasAvatAra sannidhi in Srirangam which is a divya-desam, God has manifested his kalki avatAram. Thirdly, also according to the pAncarAtra, the Lord might choose to inhabit a certain place and form much before the sthaLam exists or the temple comes into being. Again examples of this abound, but I have to get back to you on the specifics. An AzhwAr might have sung on a "primordial" divya desam, which probably might very well have no relation to local legends or much later historical events and structures such as the temple itself. AN ASIDE: As a direct corollary of this (and obviously not related to this topic but nevertheless interesting) is that the dates of the AzhwArs *cannot* directly be deduced from such historical and inscriptional testimony. On the other hand, as Mani has pointed out, not all sthaLa purANas can be accepted as authentic if there are logical and scriptural inconsistencies. > > In any event, I was reminded just recently that > Srivaishnavism recognizes only SEVEN svayamvyakta > archa forms, including the SAlagrAmam. All the > other divyasthalams have been consecrated > through pratiSThai/samprokshaNai. I am led to believe (although I am not certain) that there are *atleast* four svayamvyakta kshetrams (not necessarily divya desams) viz. Srirangam, Tirupati, Kanchipuram, and Melkote. Probably this is the reason, Ramanuja composed the slokam for nithya-dhyAnam "SrirangamangaLa maNeem karuNa nivAsam .... shreesham namAmi shirasA yadushaila deepam ||" Again, because of the reasons I have mentioned earlier, it might be a very difficult proposition to determine whether or not a certain arca form is svayamvyakta. For that we might have to go to the authentic AzhwAr pAsurams rather than local legends and inscriptional evidence. -- murali kadambi Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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