Guest guest Posted May 25, 2000 Report Share Posted May 25, 2000 Dear friend: May I invite your kind attention to Chapter 11 "Karma, Janma and Dharma" from my book "Hinduism Rediscovered" archived at www.srivaishnava.org/sgati? Please click on the TOC of SDDS (Pre-Saranagathi) Volume 2.04 and 2.05 dated 15th January 1997 and 2.06 dated 16th January 1997. You will find an answer to your question and more on the subject. After going through these postings, if you have any more doubts to be clarified, please feel free to contact me in private mail. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2000 Report Share Posted May 25, 2000 Dear members, I have a basic doubt about the karma concept. A living thing suffers due to its karma (owing to its sins in the past lifes). Suppose this suffering that it undergoes is due to another living thing, say a human inflicts physical harm to another human. The former is commiting sin and accumulating his own karma since he is doing a wrong deed. So when one's karma is getting depleted owing to his traumas, the other's karma is increasing. The effect of karma on a jIvA is solely decided by Iswara. Then does Iswara play any role in making the second jIvA inflict pain on the first jIvA ? In this context there is an interesting story of a brAhmaNa. A brAhmaNa is chanting bhagavan nAmAs under a tree. A butcher comes that way chasing a cow. He loses sight of the cow and seeing the brAhmaNa enquires if he saw a cow running this way. The brAhmaNa shows both his hands in the direction in which he saw the cow running without realising the consequences. The butcher catches the cow and goes back to his shop. In the next life the jIvA which was the brAhmaNa in the previous life takes birth and lives as a saint (a famous name, I forgot). He is living in a village where a dispute ensues between a couple. The wife after a long quarrel kills the husband. The saint is called in for the verdict. Due to some verdict reasons she cuts both the hands of the saint. Thereupon he realises what happened in his previous life. In the previous life the wife was the cow and the husband was the butcher. In this case obviously the woman who killed her husband and cut the hands of the saint incurred her share of karma. But isn't this somewhat cyclic ? I request the learned members to please clarify the idea of karma in the above context. Thank you so much. adiyEn, chandrasekaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2000 Report Share Posted May 25, 2000 Dear ShriVaishnavas, Pranams! I also have a doubt regarding this issue.But,when I read your email,I came to the conclusion that answer for your question lies in your explanation itself.The foolowing is my explanation: The cycle of rebirth exists for any living being as long as it is going to involve in any kind of sin.The Supreme Being,ofcourse is involved in this game.Because,another living being which causes the suffering,is used as a tool by the Supreme Being in accordance with its past deeds.This whole game is cause and effect phenomenon.The only way to get out of this cycle is to avoid commiting sins as much as possible to our knowledge in the present life term.The kind of story you have written is also found in Mahabharath where Lord Krishna is getting killed by a hunter(who actually was Vali in Ramayana). Hence,to my knowledge every living Being,including the Lord has to undergo this cycle. Thanks for taking time to read my expalanation, If there is any mistake,please let me know,that I can correct it Adiyen, Ramanan Ramanbuja Dasan ______________ The Total Communications Solution for Business Get & Make Calls via dedicated 800 Number Email & Voicemail by Phone or PC http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag_sb ---- On Thu, 25 May 2000, Chandrashekaran Venkataraman (vchandra) wrote: > Dear members, > I have a basic doubt about the karma concept. > A living thing suffers due to its karma (owing to its sins in the > past > lifes). Suppose this suffering that it undergoes is due to another > living > thing, say a human inflicts physical harm to another human. The former > is > commiting sin and accumulating his own karma since he is doing a wrong > deed. > So when one's karma is getting depleted owing to his traumas, the > other's > karma is increasing. The effect of karma on a jIvA is solely decided by > Iswara. Then does Iswara play any role in making the second jIvA > inflict > pain on the first jIvA ? > In this context there is an interesting story of a brAhmaNa. A > brAhmaNa > is chanting bhagavan nAmAs under a tree. A butcher comes that way > chasing a > cow. He loses sight of the cow and seeing the brAhmaNa enquires if he > saw a > cow running this way. The brAhmaNa shows both his hands in the direction > in > which he saw the cow running without realising the consequences. The > butcher > catches the cow and goes back to his shop. In the next life the jIvA > which > was the brAhmaNa in the previous life takes birth and lives as a saint > (a > famous name, I forgot). He is living in a village where a dispute ensues > between a couple. The wife after a long quarrel kills the husband. The > saint > is called in for the verdict. Due to some verdict reasons she cuts both > the > hands of the saint. Thereupon he realises what happened in his previous > life. In the previous life the wife was the cow and the husband was the > butcher. > In this case obviously the woman who killed her husband and cut the > hands > of the saint incurred her share of karma. But isn't this somewhat cyclic > ? > > I request the learned members to please clarify the idea of karma in > the > above context. > > Thank you so much. > > adiyEn, > chandrasekaran. > > ----------------------------- ---------- > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click./1/4053/4/_/716111/_/959276559/ > ----------------------------- ---------- > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list (AT) eGroups (DOT) com > Visit http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/ for more information > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2000 Report Share Posted May 25, 2000 Dear members, I have read in this forum sometime back that the Lord is not bound by karmas and never affected by the kArmic effects. So in that case is Lord Krishna getting hit by an arrow of a hunter related to Vali episode ? If related, then we are somehow agreeing that killing vAli was adharmam which has been always under debate. But how can it be true when Lord Rama is a complete dharmavAn. Erudite members, please clarify this further. Thanks chandrasekaran. Ramanan Rajagopalan [sriethiraja] Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:59 AM bhakti-list ; Chandrashekaran Venkataraman Re: a doubt on karma Dear ShriVaishnavas, Pranams! I also have a doubt regarding this issue.But,when I read your email,I came to the conclusion that answer for your question lies in your explanation itself.The foolowing is my explanation: The cycle of rebirth exists for any living being as long as it is going to involve in any kind of sin.The Supreme Being,ofcourse is involved in this game.Because,another living being which causes the suffering,is used as a tool by the Supreme Being in accordance with its past deeds.This whole game is cause and effect phenomenon.The only way to get out of this cycle is to avoid commiting sins as much as possible to our knowledge in the present life term.The kind of story you have written is also found in Mahabharath where Lord Krishna is getting killed by a hunter(who actually was Vali in Ramayana). Hence,to my knowledge every living Being,including the Lord has to undergo this cycle. Thanks for taking time to read my expalanation, If there is any mistake,please let me know,that I can correct it Adiyen, Ramanan Ramanbuja Dasan ______________ The Total Communications Solution for Business Get & Make Calls via dedicated 800 Number Email & Voicemail by Phone or PC http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag_sb ---- On Thu, 25 May 2000, Chandrashekaran Venkataraman (vchandra) wrote: > Dear members, > I have a basic doubt about the karma concept. > A living thing suffers due to its karma (owing to its sins in the > past > lifes). Suppose this suffering that it undergoes is due to another > living > thing, say a human inflicts physical harm to another human. The former > is > commiting sin and accumulating his own karma since he is doing a wrong > deed. > So when one's karma is getting depleted owing to his traumas, the > other's > karma is increasing. The effect of karma on a jIvA is solely decided by > Iswara. Then does Iswara play any role in making the second jIvA > inflict > pain on the first jIvA ? > In this context there is an interesting story of a brAhmaNa. A > brAhmaNa > is chanting bhagavan nAmAs under a tree. A butcher comes that way > chasing a > cow. He loses sight of the cow and seeing the brAhmaNa enquires if he > saw a > cow running this way. The brAhmaNa shows both his hands in the direction > in > which he saw the cow running without realising the consequences. The > butcher > catches the cow and goes back to his shop. In the next life the jIvA > which > was the brAhmaNa in the previous life takes birth and lives as a saint > (a > famous name, I forgot). He is living in a village where a dispute ensues > between a couple. The wife after a long quarrel kills the husband. The > saint > is called in for the verdict. Due to some verdict reasons she cuts both > the > hands of the saint. Thereupon he realises what happened in his previous > life. In the previous life the wife was the cow and the husband was the > butcher. > In this case obviously the woman who killed her husband and cut the > hands > of the saint incurred her share of karma. But isn't this somewhat cyclic > ? > > I request the learned members to please clarify the idea of karma in > the > above context. > > Thank you so much. > > adiyEn, > chandrasekaran. > > ----------------------------- ---------- > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click./1/4053/4/_/716111/_/959276559/ > ----------------------------- ---------- > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list (AT) eGroups (DOT) com > Visit http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/ for more information > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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