Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 Sri: SrimatE Sri Lakshminrusimha ParabrahmaNE namaha Sri Lakshminrusimha divya pAdukA sEvaka SrivaNN- SatakOpa Sri nArAyaNa yateendra mahAdESikAya namaha Dear devotees, namO nArAyaNa ! < The following write-up by adiyEn is in my computer for more than an year. But, in adiyEn's memory it has not been yet posted to the bhakti list. Hence, forwarding it in the light of the recent discussion >. Jaya and Vijaya Episode : **************************** The question is to know whether the curse took place in either SrI VaikuNTham Or kArya VaikuNTham (replica of SrI VaikuNTham in the material world). This question is dealt by SwAmi Desikan Himself in His VirOdha ParihAram ( part of Chillarai rahasyam). Swami Sri Desikan says in VirOdha parihAram #107: ----------------------------- "ippadi sila janmAntara SamskArAdikaL upakarikka anukUla SvabhAvarAyp piRandu muktarAkap prAptarAnAlum, janmAntarankaLilum pratikUlanAy antima janmattilum tAn padumaLavum (i.e. until death) etirambu kOttu ninRa sisupAlanukku "pratibhavam aparAddhu: mugddha SAyujadObhU:" (stOtra ratnam #63) enkiRapadiyE mOksham koduttapadi en? ennil, adiyilE sri vishnu lOkattilE dvArapAlapadam peRRAr iranDu ksEtrajyar bhAgavatapachAra-visEshattAl moonRu janmam pratikUlarAyp piRandu, avvapachAra phalavasAnattilE pazhaiya padam peRRu kramENa muktaRAy ninRArkaL enRu purANasiddham AakaiyAlE ippadippatta vishayangaLilum munpuRRai (that which was present earler) adhyAtma- sikshai adiyaaga mOksham ennumidam siddham." Essence of the above (Using Sri SrirAmadEsikAchAryA's vivaraNam, published by Poundarikapuram Ashramam ): Qtn 107 : It is understandable to see someone who is born as a good person, with good habits (due to sukrudams of previous births), get the opportunity for mOksham. But, how come someone, like Sisupalan, who committed offenses in previous births, and continued to commit offenses even in the current birth till the time he died, got moksham, as described in ALavandhAr's sthOthra ratnam #63? Answer : There is a lOkam under Sri Vaikuntam called Vishnu lOkam (kArya VaikuNTham). Two exalted jIvas who were holding the post of guards for the Lord in this lOkam committed offenses against bhAgavathas. Because of this they were born three times as opponents of the Lord. In this way they suffered the consequences of their bhAgavatha apachaaras. After that they got their old posts back. Then, in due course of time, due to the upAyas they undertook they attained mOksham. This history is clear from purANas. Thus, in matters such as this, it is clear that moksham can be attained through an upAya (either bhakti or prapatti) because of the already present knowledge on vEdAnta . ------------------ Thus Jaya and Vijaya who were being cursed, were dwArapAlakAs at Vishnu lOkam and not at SrI VaikuNTham. Some devotees didn't knew about the declaration of SwAmi dESikan regarding this issue and thought that this incident took place at Sri VaikuNTham, for PerumAL to just have a vyAjA(excuse) for incarnation. This reasoning was strongly based on the fact that there are nitya soorIs named Jaya and Vijaya, who are at Sri VaikuNTham as dwArapAlakas. Actually, Jaya and Vijaya at Sri VaikuNTham were not at all involved in this episode. They being nitya soorIs were serving PerumAL at Sri VaikuNTham. Vishnu lOkam has the exact replica of Sri VaikuNTham and the "post"/service of the gatekeeping was performed by two baddha jIvAtmAs. The name of the "post" got identified with their name ie. Since at SriVaikuNTham, the nitya soorIs Jaya and Vijaya serve as gatekeepers, any baddha jIvAtmA serving as gatekeepers in Vishnu lOkam are also called as Jaya and Vijaya. Lets take the example of Siva, Indra, Brahma etc. These are actually posts. A baddha jIvAtma will take these posts for a particular period and later on, that post will be occupied by some other baddha jIvAtma. Similarly , in the Vishnu lOkam, the dwArapAlaka kainkaryam ( Jaya and Vijaya) is a specific post obtained by certain exalted baddha jIvAtmas. Ofcourse, not all the posts in Vishnu lOkam be given to baddha jIvAtmAs. Here also nitya soorIs will be performing kainkaryams. We can't make any blanket statements that everyone at VishNu lokam are only baddha jIvAtmas. ----------------------- But a question naturally arises here : In the kArya vaikuNTham , exalted devotees perform the kainkaryam of gate keeping. Why then they have to suffer like that of being born in earth as HiraNyakaSipu and HiraNyAksha in Kruta yuga, RAvaNa and KumbhakarNa in trEta yuga, SisupAla and Dantavakra in dwApara yuga ? Answer : BhAgavatha apachAram to the rishis (Already answered). This BhAgavatha apachAram is made as a vyAja for perumAL to start His avatAra leelAs. NityasoorIs like AzhwArs demonstrated how a baddha jIvAtma should behave ; jaya & vijaya ( non-nitya sooris) in their three births demostrate in a way as to how a baddha should not behave. The bottomline is that PerumAL needs different roles for His fulfilment of avatAra leelAs. Such key roles are occupied by nitya soorIs, baddha jIvAtmas from kArya vaikuNTham etc. -------------------- Finally, lets look into what Srimad BhAgavatham actually says regarding this issue : Sage NArada tells King YudhiSThira (7.1.36) : " yekadA brahmaNaha putrA vishNu lOkam yadrucchayA | sanandanAdayO jagmushcarantO bhuvanatrayam || " " Once upon a time, when the sons of (chatur mukha) Brahma, namely, Sanaka, Sanandana, SanAtana and Sanat-kumAra were traveling throughout the three worlds, they by chance came to _VishNu lOka_". Here it is explicitly told that Sanaka and others (who are not muktas yet) went to VishNu lOkam only. Also, when they are traveling inside the material world, they can't by chance enter Sri VaikuNTham. adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan ananthapadmanAbha dAsan krishNArpaNam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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