Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 thiruvengada jeeyar thiruvadigale Saranam. dear Bhagavatas, namaskar. Why does Perumal keep Thirumann on His forehead? one of my colleagues, a Srivaishnava, says that we do not have all the three lines on the forehead of the image of Perumal in many temples and have only the middle line. is it true? dasan vishnu Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2000 Report Share Posted June 20, 2000 Hi, If you search in the bhakthi archives you will have a lot on Thirumann and especailly Sri Sadagopan has answered the question as to why the Lord wears ThirumaN in the Sept 95 archives. I am cutting and pasting it for your information. Though I couldn't find answers for your second question. -Harini >From Sri Sadagopan ------------------ Why the Lord Wears ThirumaN? Ramanuja is also known as Godhagraja or the elder to Andaal based on an incident that happpened at Thirumaaliruncholai ( Offering of the 1000 vessels of Akkaravadisal on behalf of Aandal). Ramanuja is also known as Thiuppavai Jeeyar, because of the joy that he experienced in reciting Thiruppavai Verses and the reverence he had for the Philosophy of Aandal. She , unlike other Azhwars reminded Her Lord of his duties and awakened from his slumber (Yoga nidra). She reminded her Lord about his sworn duties to rescue the tormented Jeevans and interceded on their behalf. Ramanuja in the spirit of Andaal might have put the ThirumaN on the Lord to remind Him of His duties to use his weapons to come to the rescue of the Jeevans. I think however the practise of wearing ThirumaN goes to a time much before Ramanuja. In conclusion, it can be said that Lord wears Thiruman not as His Lotus feet on His forehead , but as an indication of the power of his weapons and His presence in every one of the directions to protect His devotees. When the Vaishnavas wear the Pundrams , they consider their body as being protected by His weapons and as a temple for the Divine Couple. Thus , there are two separate reasons for the ThirmaN wearing by the Lord and His devotees. Sadagopan >"Srimahavishnu Vinjamuri" <s.vinjamuri >s.vinjamuri >bhakti-list >THIRUMANN >Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:55:33 -0700 > >thiruvengada jeeyar thiruvadigale Saranam. > >dear Bhagavatas, > >namaskar. > >Why does Perumal keep Thirumann on His forehead? one of >my colleagues, a Srivaishnava, says that we do not have all the three lines >on the forehead of the image of Perumal in many temples and have only the >middle line. is it true? > >dasan >vishnu > > >Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! > http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2000 Report Share Posted June 20, 2000 I have seen a few explanations for this question. But the one that stuck most in my mind was one I heard in a upanyAsam: "thanathu adiyArkaL virumpi aNivathaiyE thAnum ukanthu aNikiRAn". "He relishes wearing that which His Bhakthas wear with joy (and pride)". The second part I am not sure about. Pretty much most of the kshethrams I have been to, moolavar has adorned thirumaN and srichoornam. mathurakavi thAsan TCA Venkatesan --- Srimahavishnu Vinjamuri <s.vinjamuri wrote: > thiruvengada jeeyar thiruvadigale Saranam. > > dear Bhagavatas, > > namaskar. > > Why does Perumal keep Thirumann on His forehead? one > of > my colleagues, a Srivaishnava, says that we do not > have all the three lines on the forehead of the > image of Perumal in many temples and have only the > middle line. is it true? > > dasan > vishnu > > > Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! > > http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct > Send instant messages with Messenger. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2000 Report Share Posted June 20, 2000 Dear Sri Vishnu and Srimathi Harini Raghavan and other BhakthAs : Here is a possible answer to the question on PerumAL wearing " one line " instead of " the three lines " on His forehead . Our Lord Representing AchArya Paramparai: ***************************************** Our Lord is the PrathamAchAryan as indicated in the GuruparamparA Taniyan: LakshminAtha SamArambhAm NaaTha Yaamuna MadhyamAm asmathAchArya paryanthAm vandhE GuruparamparAm LakshminAthan or Sriya: pathi is the first in our lineage of our AchAryAs . Therefore , He has no choice except to adorn the VaishNava Chinnam (symbol) : ThirumaNN . To remind us of the importance of our AchAryAs , some times the Lord Himself appeared in front of our AchAryAs ( Before AchArya RaamAnujA at Thirukkurungudi for manthra UpadEsam and got the ThirunAmAm of Sri VaishNava Nampi, Sri RenganAthan as a small boy to bless us with the taniyan for Sri MaNavALa Maamuni: Sri SailEsa DayApAthram -). Hence , it is understandable that He has to adorn the most important VaishNava Chinnam , PuNDram or ThirumaNN .He si reminding us to wear the ThirumaNN. The Sevai of our ArchA Moorthys at their dhivya Desams ******************************************************* When you take a survey of the 106 dhivya dEsa EmperumAns , You will find an interesting trend and some variations to it . Moolavar has the Three line ThirumaNN ************************************** The commonly observed trend is that the Moolavar wears ThirumaNN with " three lines ". The Uthsavar wears either a trainagular diamond or gem as Tilakam in place of the ThriumaNN . Uthsavar some times has the three liner **************************************** In the case of Thiruppathi Uthsavar (Malayappa Swami), He wears a "three line " ThirumaNN ;The Ubhaya NaachiyArs of Uthsavar at Thiruppathi also wear disctinct ThirumaNN with "Three lines". This is to reflect their VaishNava Sri. Other dhivya dEsa Uthsavars having three line ThirumaNN are : KrupAsamudhra PerumAL of SirupuliyUr ,SaaranAtha PerumAL of ThirucchErai,ThiruvAli-Thirunagari perumAL, GovindarAjan of Thillai Thirucchitthira Kootam , many EmperumAns of ThirunAngUr dhivya desams with the exception of the PerumAL of ThiruvaNN PurushOtthamam , ThirukkUdal Azhagar ,RangamannAr of SrivillipputthUr , ThiruppuLingudi Kaacchina VEndhan, ThirukkOvalUr and others. Some times three liners and other times gem traingles ******************************************************* Oppiliappan (Ponnappan ) Uthsavar on special occasions wears a three line ThirumaNN and on other occsasions wears a diamond inverted triangle to represent the ThirumaNN. This is a situation of either Three lines or the inverted gem traingle adorning the foreheads of the Uthsavars . Inverted Gem Triangles symbolizing ThirumaNN(Uthsavars) ******************************************************* Sri Kasthuri Rangan's ( Uthsavar at Srirangam) huge single gem on His forehead is an ancient one standing in for the ThirumaNN .ThirukkaNNapuram's SourirAja PerumAL, ThirunaRayUr SrinivAsan,ThirukkaNnangudi DaamOdhara NaarayaNan , KaLLazhagar of ThirumAlirumchOlai, AzhwAr Thirunagari's AadhinAthan , ThiruvallikkENi's ParthasArathy PerumAL, Sri Moorthy of SaaLagrAmam , Thirukkudnthai AarAvamudhan, Thiruanbil PerumAL , Kaanchi VaradarAjan and others. Just a red line representing Sri Devi ************************************** ThiruvaraguNamangai VijayAsanap PerumAL uthsavar has a huge ruby on His forehead as ThirumaNN . This is Just Sri ChUrnam ! Most of the MalayALa Naattu Thiruppathis have gOpi chnadanam and vermillion (Kumkumam ) at the center. Summary ******* The Supreme ViashNava Sri of the Lord as our AchAryan is represented in many ways , when they wear the symbol of Sri VaishNavaa. Our Uthsavar's consorts (Ubhaya NaacchiyArs) at Thirumalai wear clear three lined ThirumaNN as the second in line of AchAryAs . NamO NaarAyaNAYa , V.SadagOpan At 09:55 AM 6/19/00 -0700, you wrote: >thiruvengada jeeyar thiruvadigale Saranam. > >dear Bhagavatas, > >namaskar. > >Why does Perumal keep Thirumann on His forehead? one of >my colleagues, a Srivaishnava, says that we do not have all the three lines on the forehead of the image of Perumal in many temples and have only the middle line. is it true? > >dasan >vishnu > > >Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! > http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct > >------ >**BELIEFNET SHOPPING** Save $20 at the Beliefnet store! Thousands of >religious and spiritual gifts and products. Now- get $20 off purchases >of $50 or more through July 10. >http://click./1/5591/4/_/716111/_/961520633/ >------ > >----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - >To Post a message, send it to: bhakti-list (AT) eGroups (DOT) com >Visit http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/ for more information > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 Srimad Venkata Lakshmana yativaraya namah. Dear Sriman Sadagopan, Sriman Venkatesan and Smt Harini, Thanks a lot for your excellent inputs on the subject. dasan VISHNU Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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