The Thiruman kaapu on Lord Venkateshwara's forehead

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna dear Vaishnavas.

 

Pleaser accept my dandavat pranams.

 

Since the isseu of Thiruman has come up, I was wondering why the Lord at

Thirupathi has a thiruman kaapu on his forehead that extends all the way to

His divine lotus eyes. This appears to be very unique. Why are His eyes

covered with the Thiruman as well ? His lotus eyes ought to be glancing at

the

devotees without any inhibition and yet the alankaram always covers the

eyes.

 

Is there any particular pastime involved in this regard ?

 

 

 

Vaishnava dasanudasan,

R. Jai Simman

Singapore

[Guest guest]

Re: The Thiruman kaapu on Lord Venkateshwara's forehead

 

 

Hare Krishna.

 

How authentic is this explanation ?

We must remember one point - in all traditions, discrepancies can abound

over time with someone doing something out of sentiment and as a result of

his often powerful position within the establishment, traditions are blindly

created around it and continued for centuries on end.

 

I am not suggesting that such an occurrence could have definitely taken

place with regards to the Lord at Thirupathi.

But the possibility can exist.

 

What is essential however is an authentic reason. Certainly the eyes being

too powerful and hence the need for a thiruman cover seems untenable with

the ardent devotees' desire and prayer for the Lord's loving glance to shine

upon him/her !

 

When we constantly pray to the Lord to cast His divine sight upon us,

when we describe His merciful eyes as pankaja netram or lotus eyes,

when we often chant slokas to the archa vigraha to bestow his lotus vision

on us, how can this explanation be tenable ?

 

Something serious and more philosophical is warranted and I am certain that

a Sri Vaishnava Periyar could elucidate.

 

And how can a Thursday reduce the power in the Lord's eyes ? unless of

course this is said with a certain friendly or parental mellow attached to

it in terms of rasa (as in the case with Sri Ranganatha Swami being seen as

an "old" Perumal and hence a later mangala arati at Thiruvarangam in the

morning, or with the pastimes of Lord Oppiliappan)

 

The Lord is sarva shaktiman. How can His eyes be reduced by a mere graha ?

 

Hare Krishna.

 

 

 

Your servant,

R. Jai Simman

Singapore

 

> -

> "sarayu rajesh" <r_sarayu

> <rjsimman

> Friday, June 23, 2000 3:19 PM

> Re: The Thiruman kaapu on Lord Venkateshwara's forehead

>

>

> > Hello Bhakthas,

> > As I am reading this mail I remember somebody was saying about this.I

> don't

> > know whether this is right or not.

> > Since Lord's eyes are very powerful, the devotees would not be able to

> bear

> > the power of the eyes if left open. Hence the Thiruman kappu is used as

a

> > shield protecting the devotees from the power. However only on thursdays

> > eyes are kept open for the bhakthas to see. There is a myth that the

> > marriage of Lord Venkateswara with Padmavathi(Lakshmi) took place on a

> > Thursday which reduced the power in the eyes hence Thursday is chosen

as

> > the day when devotees can have the darshan of the Lord without the

> Thiruman.

> > I think this explanation is correct.If anybody disagrees with this

please

> > correct me.

> > Vasaha Dhoshaka Shanthaviyaha.

> > SarayuRajesh.

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

Sri SarayuRajesh's explanation on Thirumankappu on

Lord Venkateswara seems to be correct in one point of

view. Andal in her Thiruppaavai also prays the Lord to

shower his

sacred grace slowly on her.("Sengan siru Chiridhe

yemmel Vizhiaavo") .She says that they will not be

able to withstand the sudden fall of entire Kadaksham

on them.This may be one of the reasonof the thiruman

covering the eyes partially. Regarding the eyes open

fully on thursdays i don't have any idea.

 

 

Adiyen

 

Lakshmi

--- "Jai Simman s/o R. Rangasamy"

<rjsimman wrote:

> Re: The Thiruman kaapu on Lord

> Venkateshwara's forehead

>

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> How authentic is this explanation ?

> We must remember one point - in all traditions,

> discrepancies can abound

> over time with someone doing something out of

> sentiment and as a result of

> his often powerful position within the

> establishment, traditions are blindly

> created around it and continued for centuries on

> end.

>

> I am not suggesting that such an occurrence could

> have definitely taken

> place with regards to the Lord at Thirupathi.

> But the possibility can exist.

>

> What is essential however is an authentic reason.

> Certainly the eyes being

> too powerful and hence the need for a thiruman cover

> seems untenable with

> the ardent devotees' desire and prayer for the

> Lord's loving glance to shine

> upon him/her !

>

> When we constantly pray to the Lord to cast His

> divine sight upon us,

> when we describe His merciful eyes as pankaja netram

> or lotus eyes,

> when we often chant slokas to the archa vigraha to

> bestow his lotus vision

> on us, how can this explanation be tenable ?

>

> Something serious and more philosophical is

> warranted and I am certain that

> a Sri Vaishnava Periyar could elucidate.

>

> And how can a Thursday reduce the power in the

> Lord's eyes ? unless of

> course this is said with a certain friendly or

> parental mellow attached to

> it in terms of rasa (as in the case with Sri

> Ranganatha Swami being seen as

> an "old" Perumal and hence a later mangala arati at

> Thiruvarangam in the

> morning, or with the pastimes of Lord Oppiliappan)

>

> The Lord is sarva shaktiman. How can His eyes be

> reduced by a mere graha ?

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

>

>

> Your servant,

> R. Jai Simman

> Singapore

>

>

> > -

> > "sarayu rajesh" <r_sarayu

> > <rjsimman

> > Friday, June 23, 2000 3:19 PM

> > Re: The Thiruman kaapu on Lord

> Venkateshwara's forehead

> >

> >

> > > Hello Bhakthas,

> > > As I am reading this mail I remember somebody

> was saying about this.I

> > don't

> > > know whether this is right or not.

> > > Since Lord's eyes are very powerful, the

> devotees would not be able to

> > bear

> > > the power of the eyes if left open. Hence the

> Thiruman kappu is used as

> a

> > > shield protecting the devotees from the power.

> However only on thursdays

> > > eyes are kept open for the bhakthas to see.

> There is a myth that the

> > > marriage of Lord Venkateswara with

> Padmavathi(Lakshmi) took place on a

> > > Thursday which reduced the power in the eyes

> hence Thursday is chosen

> as

> > > the day when devotees can have the darshan of

> the Lord without the

> > Thiruman.

> > > I think this explanation is correct.If anybody

> disagrees with this

> please

> > > correct me.

> > > Vasaha Dhoshaka Shanthaviyaha.

> > > SarayuRajesh.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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