Doubt on Thridandi Sanyasi

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Ekathandi Sanyasi is an Advaithin , Thridandi Sanyasi is a Visishtadvaithi

..The religion of the Tamils was SriVaishnavism and Tholkappiyar(of

Tholkappiyam - the earliest book known in Tamil today ) has described in a

Sutra "Noole Karagam Mukkol mannaye ayun kalai anthaNarkuriya and there is a

thurai in Grammatical parlance called " Mukkol pagavarai Vinavum thurai" in

this section the eloped lovers will be blessed by the Thridandi Sanyasi and

the Sanyasi in return will advice the chasing mother -stating that her

daughter has gone to the right place with the right person described here

with a simile

stating that the sandalwood grown in the forest does not belong to the

forest but to the person who smears , the pearl though born in the sea does

not belong to it but to who wears it .Like that the girl born to you does

not belong to you but to belongs to the person with whom she has gone .This

piece of advice satisfies the mother and she returns home.This thurai is

famous in Palai thiNai .This practice of the poets writing poems prove that

Ekathandi were not existence and if at all they were in existence ,

Tholkappiyar who was a neutral person would have told about their lifestyle

and service.THIS AGAIN VALIDATES THE LAW OF THE SANYASIS THAT THEY SHOULD

NOT stay in one location for more than 1 night and should be in Sanjaram

always , the exception being the CHATURMASYA VRATHA .EKATHANDIS will not

wear the Poonool (SACRED THREAD) and they would have their head shaven

they will not sport a tuft -kudumi) as opposed to the thrithandis who will

have both kudumi and poonool.Thridandi sanyasi can become a sanyasi after

having enjoyed Grihasthashrama and Bala Sanyasins are not permitted .

 

Adiyen Sri Vaishnava Sri A.Krishnamachari

 

 

 

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anitha seshadri <tkanitha

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Saturday, July 22, 2000 3:00 PM

Doubt

 

> Dear SreeVaishavas,

>

> I have a series of doubts.Could anyone help me out in

> clearing them.

>

>

> 1.Why do we perform Tharpanam even for Prapannas.Alwar

> in His Thiruvaimozhi says "Maramannal

> Vaikuntham Koddukum Piran" .

>

> 2.My second doubt is regarding the Verse "Othaar

> MiKaarai Ellaiyaya Maamaya". When Alwar says

> Emberuman doesn't have anyone equalising(OtHaar) Him

> it is obvious that no one is above him.Then why he

> agains puts the phrase Mikkaar.

>

> 3. What is the difference between Ekathandi and

> Thrithandi Sanyasis.

>

> Kindly Forgive me if i'm wrong

>

> Adiyen

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> ..The religion of the Tamils was SriVaishnavism and Tholkappiyar(of

> Tholkappiyam - the earliest book known in Tamil today ) has described in a

> Sutra "Noole Karagam Mukkol mannaye ayun kalai anthaNarkuriya and there is a

> thurai in Grammatical parlance called " Mukkol pagavarai Vinavum thurai" in

> this section the eloped lovers will be blessed by the Thridandi Sanyasi

 

Thank you, "Sri Vaishnava Sri" Sri A. Krishnamachari, for all your

kainkaryams and contributions, and for your recent articles to our

bhakti-list.

 

I take a little issue with the conclusiveness with which the above

statements have been made. Yes, the sangak kAla Tamil poems do

not mention 'ekadaNDa' sannyAsins and only refer to 'mukkOl

pakavar', i.e., 'tridaNDa' sannyAsins. However, there is no

conclusive evidence that these 'tridaNDins' were Vaishnavas or

even Vaidikas. For all we know, they may have been 'AjIvikas',

a now defunct sect that once did exist in the Tamil country.

In the sangam poems, no association is made between these

'tridaNDi' saints and any religion.

 

Furthermore, it is a stretch to say that the ancient Tamils

were "Sri Vaishnavas" as we understand the term today. The

ancient Tamils refer often to Murukan and the Mother Goddess,

in addition to frequent references to Tirumaal. We can

understand from this that there were Vaishnavas in the Tamil

country, but we have no knowledge as to how exclusive they

were, or whether they followed a religion similar to the

Alvars.

 

Mere existence of poetry does not conclusively indicate much

about their religious beliefs. As we are well aware, the author

of the silappadikAram which glorifies Tirumaal as well as

other gods was a Jain.

 

I realize that Sri Puttur Krishnaswamy Iyengar and others

are vociferous in their statements about ancient Tamil society,

but such assertions need to be backed up by evidence, properly

understood in context. (Believe me, I would like what you

write to be true myself -- but it is just not convincing).

 

aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,

Mani