Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 SriMan Narayana, Any Mantra would either have prarthana or just a Namasmarana. For eg. The Moola Mantra has a meaning that Nothing is mine Evertything belongs to Lord Narayana. The Dwayam also has similar prarthana.Gayatri mantram also has prarthana. But as far as Charama sloka is concerned it is actually spoken by the Lord Himself and it is in the form of Lord's instruction/Aagya.So how can a devotee chant this as a mantra? I request respected members to clear this doubt of mine. Sri Hari Suresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 Dear Suresh, you wrote :- Any Mantra would either have prarthana or just a Namasmarana. For eg. The Moola Mantra has a meaning that Nothing is mine Evertything belongs to Lord Narayana. The Dwayam also has similar prarthana.Gayatri mantram also has prarthana. But as far as Charama sloka is concerned it is actually spoken by the Lord Himself and it is in the form of Lord's instruction/Aagya.So how can a devotee chant this as a mantra? I request respected members to clear this doubt of mine. The answer follows :- The charma slokha on the face value is surely an instruction by the Lord to us(who are troubled with fears of samsara and the worry about our capacity to over come the same)to surrender to him and act according to his will,the consequence of which is freedom from our sins i.e attainment of Moksha.He also advices us to give up our worries in the thought that we are under his protection. The following are to be understood in the slokha, 1.The Lord Sri.Krishna or Sriman Narayana is the only person who can end our worries about samsara and grant us Moksha. 2. To give up our rebillious attitude(can also be taken as an unhealthy ego) with respect to the supremecy of Lord,that it is in our capacity to achieve whatever we want including moksha. 3. An Act of whole hearted surrender to the Lord based on above understanding. 4. The Lord is not only the most powerful person to the extent of granting moksha from samsara to another person,but also a person who truely loves us and cares about our welfare.This can be understood from the terms "Ma suchaha i.e don't worry". With the above understanding,charma shloka is understood not only to be an instruction by the Lord but truths or facts to be accepted and followed by us in the same spirit with which other manthras like ashtakshari,dwaya etc are recited and followed. Hope this satisfies your query,More questions or Info. about the same is welcomed. Sri Krishnaarpanamasthu Suresh B.N. Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 Dear Suresh, Thanks a lot for your reply.I completely aggree with you that only complete surrender without any expectation is what we have to do.Tasya vasheekaranam thachcharanaagatireva'. No doubt about it. But still my question is that..this charamaslokam which is in the form of our Lord's instruction..how can 'we' use it as a japa mantra? It is actually a very authoritative statement which can come only from the Lord to us. When we repeat it in the form of a japa it becomes as if we are making that statement. So as a humble devotee I feel very uncomfortable whenever I do charamasloka mantra japam. Please enlighten me. Sri KrishnArpaNam Suresh >bindinganavale suresh <suresh_b_n >sureshsmr >CC: bhakti bhakti <bhakti-list > >Re:Question on CharamaSlokam >Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:45:47 -0700 (PDT) > The charma slokha on the face value is surely an >instruction by the Lord to us(who are troubled with >fears of samsara and the worry about our capacity to >over come the same)to surrender to him and act >according to his will,the consequence of which is >freedom from our sins i.e attainment of Moksha.He also >advices us to give up our worries in the thought that >we are under his protection. > >The following are to be understood in the slokha, > >1.The Lord Sri.Krishna or Sriman Narayana is the only >person who can end our worries about samsara and grant >us Moksha. >2. To give up our rebillious attitude(can also be >taken as an unhealthy ego) with respect to the >supremecy of Lord,that it is in our capacity to >achieve whatever we want including moksha. >3. An Act of whole hearted surrender to the Lord based >on above understanding. >4. The Lord is not only the most powerful person to >the extent of granting moksha from samsara to another >person,but also a person who truely loves us and cares >about our welfare.This can be understood from the >terms >"Ma suchaha i.e don't worry". > >With the above understanding,charma shloka is >understood not only to be an instruction by the Lord >but truths or facts to be accepted and followed by us >in the same spirit with which other manthras like >ashtakshari,dwaya etc are recited and followed. > >Hope this satisfies your query,More questions or Info. >about the same is welcomed. > >Sri Krishnaarpanamasthu >Suresh B.N. > > > > Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. >http://im./ _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2000 Report Share Posted October 22, 2000 Sri: Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah: Dear Sri Suresh, The charama slokam is nothing but a soothing, solace for us, deeply immersed in scorching, samsaaric oceans. To remove the taapam, that is the assuaging assurance from the Lord.. "Not to worry" anymore. The mere recitation of that sloka is a gentle reminder to oursleves everyday (and also to Sriya: Pathi Sriman Narayanan for saving us, who have surrendered to Him alone ). Also, we can enjoy recitation of this charama slokam (as Sri Vijay Triplicane pointed about two years agom in the list for the same query), with a suffix.. as "Sarva dharmaan..... sucha.. enRu sonna GeethachAryan ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam". Regards Narayana Narayana adiyEn Narayana dAsan Madhavakkannan ====================================== Given below for our enjoyment a translation of Swamy Desikan's Charama sloka churukku- written by our dear Sri Satakopan mama in the list a couple of years ago. (I seek Sri Satakopan mama's permission to post this for everyone's reference) Verse 1 of Carama slOka curukku ************************************** kallAr ahalum karumamum j~nAnamum kaathalum marru yellAnilaikaLukku(m) yErpa vithittha kirisaikaLum vallAr mulha vali izhandAr yenranai tthozhuha yenru yellaa dharumamum uraitthavan inn adi sErnthanamE ( Meaning ) : Those knowledgeable ones with proficiency in SaasthrAs can perform effectively Karma Yogam , J~nana Yogam and Bhakthi Yogam . The untutored rest will go away from the practise of the above three yogAs based on their inadequacy about their ability to perform these difficult yogAs . It is hence understandable that those , who are skilled in true knowledge will perform one of these three yogAs for their salvation . For those , who are not capable of performing these ardous yogAs , I will stand in the place of these yogAs , when they surrender themselves to Me unconditionally ; I will bless them with the full fruits of these yogAs . ( Swami Desikan states at the very end of this verse that he has taken refuge at the sweet and sacred feet of the GeethAchAryan, who made such a pledge out of His infinite compassion for us all ) . (Extended meaning) O ChethanA ! Your understanding of the tattvAs is limited . Your power to grasp the full meaning of the saasthrAs is also limited . You are here on this earth of Mine for a limited time . You are in an impatient and restless state of mind and are unable to put up with the delay in gaining Moksha Siddhi . You recognize that it is well nigh impossible to practise any one of the three yOgAs ( Karma , J~nAna and Bhakthi yOgAs ) ; you also recognize that they take too long to bear fruit . Therefore , do not roam hither and thither chasing these three difficult-to-practise yogAs as routes appropriate for your salvation . I am easy of access to one and all . I am the refuge for all of the beings of the universes. You elect Me and Me alone as your sole refuge . Perform SaraNAgathi to Me with its five angAs (limbs ) .When once you perform that act , you become a krutha Krithyan ( one who has done his duty ) . Through this act of BaranyAsam , You have become a special chEthanA , who is to be protected by Me. You become very dear to Me as a result of this aathma samarpaNam act of yours . My love for you is limitless. I will begin to bless you rightaway . There is no limit or obstacle to my independence and power . I am the one , who is the reaper of the reward for My action on behalf of you . My sankalpam ( volition ) is the only basis and support for My act of coming to your rescue . The multitudes of your enemies that interfere with your goal to reach me are limitless . They are immeasurable . You can not destroy them on your own accord , even if you wanted to . I will root them all out and make sure that they do not follow you anymore . I will elevate you to enjoy Me and all that is Mine and make you equal to Me in enjoying these bhOgAs . If you enjoy Me in this way , I will bless you with the boons of eternal kaimkaryam to Me at all times and places without interruption . Please do not grieve anymore over any thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2000 Report Share Posted October 23, 2000 Sri Madhavakkannan explained it well. Like he said, it is a gentle reminder for us not to worry anymore. Once we have submitted all our burdens to His feet, we should 'never' even think about worrying. But, being mere mortals, we don't even come close to that. We often worry about our problems, analyze the situation, feel great about solving problems... We do all this with an inherent ahankAram, as if 'we' are controlling things. This contradicts the basic premise. Hence a gentle reminder every day, "Sarva dharmAn ... sucha: enRu aruLiya SrI gIthAchAryan thiruvadigaLE thanjam" would be better. adiyEn, -Viji (Vijay Triplicane) Sri Madhavakkannan wrote... ====================================== Dear Sri Suresh, The charama slokam is nothing but a soothing, solace for us, deeply immersed in scorching, samsaaric oceans. To remove the taapam, that is the assuaging assurance from the Lord.. "Not to worry" anymore. The mere recitation of that sloka is a gentle reminder to oursleves everyday (and also to Sriya: Pathi Sriman Narayanan for saving us, who have surrendered to Him alone ). Also, we can enjoy recitation of this charama slokam (as Sri Vijay Triplicane pointed about two years agom in the list for the same query), with a suffix.. as "Sarva dharmaan..... sucha.. enRu sonna GeethachAryan ThiruvadigaLE SaraNam". Regards Narayana Narayana adiyEn Narayana dAsan Madhavakkannan ====================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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