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Mani Varadarajan <mani wrote:

(a) The normal order of events during mArgazhi mAsam

is FIRST the usha: kAla visesha ArAdhana, including

tiruppAvai recital and only then the prAta: sandhyA.

The reason for this is that the visesha ArAdhana

is done before sunrise, so it belongs before the sandhyA

(clarified by Srimat Poundarikapuram Andavan Swami).

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The order (kramam) which SrI Mani Varadarajan has mentioned

is the correct order as far as dhanur-mAsa-ArAdhanam is

concerned. This order was followed implicitly; I had performed

a laghu-ArAdhanam in usha: kAlam before I took (ezhundaruLa

seidal) bhagavath sAligrAga-mUrthy to the upanyAsam venue. This

kramam was also told by me to audience before upanyAsam.

 

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Mani Varadarajan <mani wrote:

(b) The criticism of the Ganga river sounds rather harsh.

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bhavAnga-patitam toyam pavitram iti paspRSuH |

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Perhaps it is 'na hi nindA stuti', but still a little

bit troublesome.

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"na hi nindA nindyam nindithum pravarthahE, api thu

stuthyam sthOthum"

 

The anuditha-hOma-nindA-nyAyam may also be considered here.

But still, AlwAr himself has given importance to river kAveri

and has called it superior in purity. This shows that there

has been stuthi for a river which is superior to river gangA in

an aspect. There are rivers superior to river gangA in one or

other aspect. But river ganga is anyway regarded and not disrespected.

Also, the nUpura-ganga (at Tiru-mAl-irun-chOlai, kaL-Azhagar

sannadhi) is told as "paSupathi jatA-sparsha-sUnyA" by our

swAmi. The gangA is called as tri-srOtha. At Tiru-mAl-irun-chOlai,

a dhAra (stream) of gangA came to the world from Bhagavath

Trivikrama's nUpuram. This dhAra of gangA is free from the sambandam

of paSupathi jatA sparsham and thus distinguished from the

known river gangA. The dEvathAntara-sambanda-varjanam is

the distinguishing feature of this nUpura-ganga, which is

held as a special viSEshaNam for nUpura-gangA here.

These points may be noted here in this context. This is to

substantiate that dEvathAntara-sambanda-varjanam is a purity

for SrI VaishNavas. That is, SrI VaishNavas should NOT have

dEvathAntara-sambandam.

 

Also, the well-known river gangA is celebrated in the

SAstra only because it is having Trivikrama-tiru-vadi sambandam.

(Ref. NAn mukan tiruvandAdi - Tirumalizai Alwar - "kurai koNda

nAnmukan kundikai neer paidu... karai koNda kaNdaththAn chenni

mEl ErakkazhuvinAn...). PArvathi pathi is "Aaru sadai karandAn"

who took the gangA in his jatA for getting his sins removed

and thus became celebrated as "gangA-dhara" and "Siva".

But yamuna has krishNa's full tiru-mEni sambandam. It has been

a witness for all the krishNa-divya-leelas.

 

Thanks & Regards

M.S.HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari)

 

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Dear Members,

 

Regarding 'devatAntara-sambandha-varjanam' with respect

to the rivers, I had clarrified it as "na hi nidA".

>The noble doctrine of only meditating on and worshipping

>the Ultimate Cause is here reduced to a mockery of its

>true self.

 

The aim was not this. But as SrI Mani Varadarajan

says so, I request him and others not to take it in such

a sense. The "river concept" under discussions (in this context)

may not to be taken as a serious "philosophical" point.

 

But still, regarding the phrase 'paSupati-jaTA-sparSa-SUnya'

and "inappropriate quote", I will write to clarrify at a

latter date by quoting other scholars. I need some time to

get the exact reference titles etc.

 

I do acknowledge the greatness of the river gangA as celebrated in

the authentic scriptures. I agree with the greatness of jAnhavi (river

ganga) thoyam as "owshadam" (medicine) as it is

Trivikrama-tiru-vadi-theertham, and "vaidya:" (doctor) as NArAyaNa:

Hari: and I conclude this mail.

 

Thanks & Regards

M.S.HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari)

 

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