Where is Atma?

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Dear Bhagavathaas,

The following topic raised by Sri.Mahavishnu is thought

provoking. AdiyEn's answer is, "Jeeva is different from JeevAtma". An example

is, if we say somebody has passed away, we mean, the Jeeva and not the JeevAthma

has died(the JeevAthma gets re-born as a worm, plant, animal,human or attains

moksham based on its karma Phalam), even though parts of the persons body may

still live on(eg.organ donor's organs living after donor's demise).

 

So the equation is,

Atma+living cells composed as matter also called as 'pindam'=JeevAtma ---->eqn1

 

living cells cloned from the 'pindam' still needs Bhagavad Sankalpam to get a

JeevAtma for it to be called a Jeeva, otherwise it continues to be a pindam.

 

In a relative note, we see that modern scientific research in the area of

Genetic make-up and cloning(sage Viswamitra has done that before, and in all

possibility the DuryodhAnAdigal were created in a similar fashion too) but that

does not constitute to creating an AtmA, but only aiding the physical creation

of the Jeeva. The Jeevathma assumes a body with Bhagad Sankalpam and gets to be

called a Jeeva, whether it is Human Shrishti, Viswamitra Shrishti or Brahma

Shrishti(I am sure some Vedic scholar on the net can enlighten us with the

correct Vedic references).

 

As for plants, once again AdiyEn would seek the words of Vedic wisdom, as pure

science can definitely not pin-point today, where the Jeevathma is, since pure

science does not even know it leave alone explain about it.

 

AdiyEn's personal assumption is there is no physical location for Jeevathma in a

body, but it stays in the body, as long as the body can sense its "self" and

attributes its acts to that "self". That is why we call someone "MahAtma" when

he does acts for global welfare, and the ultimate as "ParamAtma".

 

The same for plants too. When a plant is cut and replanted, it does not cut

its JeevAtma, but a new plant is created and it gets its own Atma by Bhagavad

Sankalpam. This is evident when we see two identical stem cuttings in identical

conditions, yet growing differently, since they have their own wisdom and way of

growing which is attributed to their feeling of 'self' or 'AtmA'.

 

Hope to learn more from Vedic scholars on the net(& of course correct AdiyEn

where assumptions are made incorrectly). AdiyEn have Samsayam how we treat

certain cells which display selfish behavior for survival. Is it mechanical

attribute or whether they have self/AtmA?

 

AdiyEn Sri Raamanuja Daasan,

 

Sudarsana Dasosmi

 

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Message: 1

Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:44:27 -0800

"Srimahavishnu Vinjamuri" <s.vinjamuri

Atma

 

Srimad venkata lakshmana Yativaraya namah.

Sri Rukmini sameta parthasarathi Prabrahmane namah.

 

dear Bhagavatottamas,

 

namo narayana.

 

It is said that Atma is there in our heart. What about plants,insects and

several micro-organisams which do not have a heart?

 

IF we separate a few cells from the body of a living entity, and the cells are

able to live independently, do they acquire a new Atma?

 

dasan

vishnu

 

 

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